will a stock 96 celica beat a stock 99 civic SI?

will a stock 96 celica beat a stock 99 civic SI?

Sep 28, 2003 - 12:58 AM
venomviper88 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '03 From california Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	i know the celica wont beat the SI but I was wondering if the celica would be at lest close to beating it?

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Oct 9, 2003 - 1:24 AM

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QUOTE (Kwanza @ Oct 8, 2003 - 10:10 PM)

QUOTE (CelicaStud @ Oct 8, 2003 - 9:06 PM)

I don't know if this helps at all, but here goes.

I own a '94 Celica ST. No, it's not a beast, but ST's seem to get played down WAY too much around here. There is no doubt in my mind that a GT is faster than an ST or that an GT-4 is faster than that, but when you guys start comparing ST's to EX and DX Civics, that's just wrong, man! I don't know what I would do if I lost to a pathetic DX or EX civic, and I'll tell you, I have a friend with a nice '93 DX civic with a stock D15 engine except for a new cam (SOHC). I've raced him a few times and every time I beat him the same way.

I never seem to get off the line as quick as he does, maybe it is because I have a heavier car(?), I don't know, but I WILL tell you this...I spank him in 3rd gear.

1st Gear

--Civ
Cel

2nd Gear

--------Civ
-------Cel

3rd

-----------------Civ
-------------------------Cel

If you can picture that, that is the way it went. So is an ST faster than an Si? I doubt. But does the ST deserve the bad wrap everyone seems to give it? I don't think so.

P.S. I'd rather lose to a Civic than to a Neon. Those things are gross!

Edit: This friend of mine is undergoing an engine swap to a DOHC V

Heh... every car and every driver is different. First off, an ST won't lose to a DX unless you're a sorry driver or you drive an auto. The Civic's d15 has about 100 hp...so you're a fool if you lose. They definately weigh more than Celica ST's... even GT's. I believe Civics weigh about 2600-2700 pounds... anyways, I can't imagine why or how he manages to beat you on the launch. It might just be the driver, but you will pull him every gear if you push your motor. I also find it funny that your 3rd gear pulls so hard...I mean, nearly every "FE" head toyota motor pulls pretty flat in 3rd gear. It could be due to gearing or power delivery with the ratios, but I dunno... 3rd gear is usually where Hondas can walk yotas... anyways, nobody here is bashing Celica ST's... we're being what one would call, realists. Celica ST's are not fast... I mean, mid 17's 1/4 mile stock... that's pretty slow. My ST can probably hit mid-low 16's...but that's yet to be proven... till i hit the track. All I know is, I've never lost to any Civic short of a swapped Civic or an SI....

Stock for stock, an ST won't lose to a DX... but I will tell you that I've lost to one back in the days when a header wasn't even an option for us. We both had the same mods except he had a header. I lost by about half a car's length...

For all you "I wanna be a speed racer" peeps, don't underestimate any car on the road... There are a lot of sleepers out there...

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venomviper88 will a stock 96 celica beat a stock 99 civic SI? Sep 28, 2003 - 12:58 AM

Matthew race your friend or whoever and find out most peo... Sep 28, 2003 - 1:43 AM

Mynzeyes if it's an ST, no way. if it's a GT, a lit... Sep 28, 2003 - 1:54 AM

Kwanza The SI will walk all over you... 160hp compared to... Sep 28, 2003 - 2:04 AM

kuya1284 It amuses me when people continue to ask these typ... Sep 28, 2003 - 4:07 AM

3FingersCelica I have a 97 ST. I raced a 97 Civic SI. It was a ... Sep 28, 2003 - 9:53 AM

Seth6Gen QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 7:53 AM) I ... Sep 28, 2003 - 1:57 PM

3FingersCelica You may be right about that. But I did see the en... Sep 28, 2003 - 3:21 PM

98celica3 ok, it all depends on the driver(if yours is a GT)... Sep 28, 2003 - 4:32 PM

Matthew i dont care what anyone says a 115hp car that we... Sep 28, 2003 - 5:09 PM

3FingersCelica QUOTE (GT2GT4 @ Sep 28, 2003 - 10:09 PM) i dont ca... Sep 28, 2003 - 6:04 PM

Kwanza QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 4:04 PM) I ... Sep 28, 2003 - 6:30 PM

3FingersCelica Last time I checked, the only Civic with a DOHC en... Sep 28, 2003 - 8:11 PM

Hym3n LMAO. With an ST, the real question you should... Sep 28, 2003 - 11:07 PM

95GTspeed my friend has a 98 civic dx hatchback and its real... Sep 28, 2003 - 11:58 PM

Matthew yea civic hatchbacks are really quick because of h... Sep 29, 2003 - 12:20 AM

Kwanza QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 6:11 PM) La... Sep 29, 2003 - 12:47 AM

5sfeTurbo lol..If that motor was the B16, the V-tech would w... Sep 29, 2003 - 1:09 AM

5sfeTurbo No civic si's in 1997. They actually started ... Sep 29, 2003 - 1:25 AM

boosted_K2 i think our STs need to worry about chevy malabus ... Sep 29, 2003 - 2:09 AM

BlackSTX Wouldn't the distance of the race make a diffe... Sep 29, 2003 - 3:29 PM

kuya1284 QUOTE (BlackSTX @ Sep 29, 2003 - 1:29 PM) Wouldn... Sep 29, 2003 - 4:03 PM

Chrobis I raced a civic SI from a rolling 30 up to about 8... Sep 29, 2003 - 4:46 PM

boosted_K2 QUOTE (Chrobis @ Sep 29, 2003 - 4:46 PM) I ra... Sep 29, 2003 - 5:21 PM

Tenchi QUOTE (3FingersCelica @ Sep 28, 2003 - 3:21 PM) Yo... Sep 30, 2003 - 8:26 AM

jayi12-15psi even though the si's have 160 hp compared to t... Sep 30, 2003 - 1:55 PM

Kwanza QUOTE (jayi12-15psi @ Sep 30, 2003 - 11:55 AM) eve... Sep 30, 2003 - 2:09 PM

Tenchi Kwanza is right, if I shift at 8000-8200 I land at... Sep 30, 2003 - 2:14 PM

boosted_K2 theres so many factors that can play into a race, ... Sep 30, 2003 - 2:25 PM

boosted_K2 A SS-ii or SS-iii would win, but not a USDM GT Sep 30, 2003 - 2:26 PM

yep why can't the 3s-ge be here in america, or at ... Sep 30, 2003 - 7:13 PM

94TRDCeli I rode in my friends 99 si the other night..only m... Oct 1, 2003 - 7:17 PM

Uppitycracker Uhhhhhh my buddy has a black 1997 Civic Si, so how... Oct 1, 2003 - 8:57 PM

5sfeTurbo check again Oct 1, 2003 - 9:00 PM

Uppitycracker Auto Trader Heres a link to the canadian auto tra... Oct 1, 2003 - 9:06 PM

Kwanza QUOTE (Uppitycracker @ Oct 1, 2003 - 6:57 PM) Uhhh... Oct 2, 2003 - 1:08 AM

Tenchi Yep, 99-00. There was no Si in 01 and the 02+ is ... Oct 2, 2003 - 7:55 AM

DG_Performance I would just like to say that before I turboed my ... Oct 2, 2003 - 10:09 AM

Uppitycracker QUOTE (DG_Performance @ Oct 2, 2003 - 8:09 AM) I w... Oct 2, 2003 - 10:49 AM

Tenchi Ah yes, the "torqueless wonder." Gotta ... Oct 2, 2003 - 2:12 PM

CelicaStud I don't know if this helps at all, but here go... Oct 8, 2003 - 11:06 PM

Kwanza QUOTE (CelicaStud @ Oct 8, 2003 - 9:06 PM) I don... Oct 9, 2003 - 12:10 AM

kuya1284 QUOTE (Kwanza @ Oct 8, 2003 - 10:10 PM) QUOTE (Cel... Oct 9, 2003 - 1:24 AM

CelicaStud I'm pretty sure that the person I bought my ca... Oct 27, 2003 - 11:32 PM

Matthew no you shouldnt be doing better Oct 27, 2003 - 11:59 PM

kuya1284 The fastest I was ever able to pull on a ST with e... Oct 28, 2003 - 3:42 PM

NYCelica Are you sure you're talking about the right ca... Oct 28, 2003 - 10:11 PM

Digndoug Alright not sure if this makes a diff to any ones ... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:09 AM

Matthew no offense to all the ST owners with stock engines... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:16 AM

CupCrazy38 Well, b4 I bought my car I took it to Toyota. When... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:18 AM

Digndoug Ok, first off the dx only has 102 hp an 98 trq....... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:23 AM

Matthew haha nice buddy http://www.hondacars.com/models/m... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:27 AM

Digndoug Ok, this might help sorry my bro has a 94 civic dx... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:29 AM

Matthew well you didnt say that...we are comparing 96 celi... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:32 AM

Digndoug Yeah my bad, I got carried away with it , any dun-... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:34 AM

97sccelica QUOTE (Matthew @ Oct 28, 2003 - 9:16 PM) no o... Oct 29, 2003 - 12:35 AM

Kwanza QUOTE (Digndoug @ Oct 28, 2003 - 10:23 PM) Ok, fir... Oct 29, 2003 - 1:56 PM

Bigmeanbulldog55 so whats the point in owning a celica? there not f... Oct 29, 2003 - 3:28 PM

Mynzeyes QUOTE (Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Oct 29, 2003 - 2:28 PM) ... Oct 29, 2003 - 3:41 PM

kuya1284 QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Oct 29, 2003 - 1:41 PM) QUOTE (B... Oct 29, 2003 - 5:32 PM

Aus i've kicked enough civics ('si' - is t... Oct 29, 2003 - 6:05 PM

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