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post Jun 12, 2008 - 9:41 AM
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Hey guys, ive had some experiencees with ghosts and bigfoot, and im just wondering if anyone on here has had experiences with any of this. Or if you havnt had experiences what is your take on all of it??


its long i know, but alot is unexplained.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=deoJUBW9CI8



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post Jun 17, 2008 - 2:48 PM
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QUOTE (CAMAricer @ Jun 13, 2008 - 12:40 PM) *
Super, I have to totally disagree with your logic of needing tangible evidence in order to believe in something. There are many unexplainable events in this world that cannot be explain by science or by religion.


Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever. Science is something that is always changing, always evolving, thats the beauty of it. You don't know something now...you'll know it later. Everything doesn't need to be explained here and now.

I'm still trying to understand your point. You disagree about tangible evidence, but then talk about how global warming isn't tangible evident nor is gravity. Your taking things to literally. When I mean tangible evidence this includes data that can be collected and observed.

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post Jun 18, 2008 - 10:47 AM
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Stay on topic people, or this is gonna get shut down again.

Did you happen to miss my point about the unicorn? An explanation to the unexplainable?

I am a person of science and so everything I do (for a living) depends on my ability to believe in what I do (which is medicine). If I can't believe in how medicine works, then I can't willingly sell it in good conscience. Yet, many drugs work in ways we cannot understand yet. But it works. We can measure the results in terms of X amount of patients being healed and Y number of patients becoming worse. But after all is said and done, if a patient comes to me and asks me how this drug works, all I can answer is with a, "I don't know. I believe it works like this..." Eventually science will figure out why this drug works. But until it does, the power in which is works is still based solely on belief.

Now there have been numerous clinical trials where the power of faith has been tested to see if it can heal people of their ailments and disease. This refers back to my earlier reference of placebos. These trials were done in the same scientific manners as "real" drugs, with the results being recorded and analyzed in the same way. And the results show that, yes it works. People who have faith have been shown to heal better than people who did not have faith. Science backed up religion with the data (in these trials), but science could not explain it either.

It can be hard if not impossible for a religious person to reconcile his beliefs with profession (like me). But I have comes to terms with both because neither one can disprove the other. I understand your point of view (it's sort of like having a cynical view of the world, assume the worse until proven otherwise). I, on the other hand, see things more optimistically, assume the best until proven otherwise.

The unexplainable is often seen only as unexplainable in the eyes of science. Religion, the paranormal, the supernatural all try to offer an explanation (not proof!) to the unexplainable.


QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Jun 17, 2008 - 2:48 PM) *
QUOTE (CAMAricer @ Jun 13, 2008 - 12:40 PM) *
Super, I have to totally disagree with your logic of needing tangible evidence in order to believe in something. There are many unexplainable events in this world that cannot be explain by science or by religion.


Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever. Science is something that is always changing, always evolving, thats the beauty of it. You don't know something now...you'll know it later. Everything doesn't need to be explained here and now.

I'm still trying to understand your point. You disagree about tangible evidence, but then talk about how global warming isn't tangible evident nor is gravity. Your taking things to literally. When I mean tangible evidence this includes data that can be collected and observed.



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- SeverX13   Ghosts,Demons,bigfoot,ufos ect   Jun 12, 2008 - 9:41 AM
- - SeverX13   QUOTE (SeverX13 @ Jun 12, 2008 - 9:4...   Jun 12, 2008 - 9:50 AM
- - Random_Stranger   LOL Sorry Brent, I think it is crazy we discuss th...   Jun 12, 2008 - 9:55 AM
- - D-Man   yeah, i deff believe we (as humans) arn't as s...   Jun 12, 2008 - 10:12 AM
|- - SeverX13   QUOTE (D-Man @ Jun 12, 2008 - 10...   Jun 12, 2008 - 10:56 AM
- - Supersprynt   Nope, none of it.   Jun 12, 2008 - 10:39 AM
|- - SeverX13   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Jun 12, 2008 - 10...   Jun 12, 2008 - 10:57 AM
- - CelicaBabeUK   I belive Ghosts Had over 100 encouters so i reall...   Jun 12, 2008 - 10:57 AM
- - Supersprynt   Because I need to see something in order to believ...   Jun 12, 2008 - 11:24 AM
|- - CAMAricer   Actually, I believe science can explain some of th...   Jun 13, 2008 - 1:30 AM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (CAMAricer @ Jun 13, 2008 - 7...   Jun 13, 2008 - 1:52 AM
- - D-Man   Damn, not even aliens? Man, if we're the smart...   Jun 12, 2008 - 11:33 AM
- - SeverX13   i understand where your coming from. but the ghost...   Jun 12, 2008 - 11:38 AM
- - D-Man   idk about dissapearing houses and stuff... I just ...   Jun 12, 2008 - 11:53 AM
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- - Batman722   people believe what they want to belive either con...   Jun 12, 2008 - 12:10 PM
|- - D-Man   What's a "chubakabras"?   Jun 12, 2008 - 12:13 PM
- - SeverX13   theres a difference between experience, and feelin...   Jun 12, 2008 - 12:17 PM
- - 96bluevert   I believe in ghost...I watch Ghost Hunters, A Haun...   Jun 12, 2008 - 12:35 PM
- - Supersprynt   QUOTE (D-Man @ Jun 12, 2008 - 12...   Jun 12, 2008 - 12:51 PM
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- - Supersprynt   So you have a ghostly babysitter.   Jun 12, 2008 - 12:56 PM
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- - devilsden97   ...i want proof.. plan and simple. im With supersp...   Jun 12, 2008 - 11:50 PM
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|- - 96bluevert   QUOTE (devilsden97 @ Jun 12, 2008 - 9...   Jun 13, 2008 - 2:02 AM
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|- - CAMAricer   Super, I have to totally disagree with your logic ...   Jun 13, 2008 - 11:40 AM
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