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post Jun 1, 2008 - 9:16 PM
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lowering setup:

1.) tein lowering springs (new)
2.) bilstein struts (new)

Wheels:

7th gen gts with 205/55/16 tires

Issue(s):

My crossmember is a non-factory to work with the V6, and i'm worried about hitting it too much. The V6 weighs about 75-100 lbs more than the stock 5sfe, and less than the 3s. The "extra" weight could be causing it to be lower (more than what tein calls for) but it seems that 74-100 lbs would not be much. Before anyone asks, yes - these are legit teins. They really seemed to have slammed the car instead of the 1.4" in the fount. I've been looking at bump stops, and thinking they might help. As you can imagine when i'm driving 60 and hit a pot hole or big bump it can be bad. frown.gif


Pictures to explain (how do they compare to your tein lowering? - if you have them):

Front drivers side:



two fingers (front):



Rear drivers side:



three fingers (rear):



pass side front:



pass rear:



crossmember:




side view:



Here is a short video of going over a speed bump. Watch the WHOLE thing so you can see the bounce in the 2nd pass. I made the pass by putting my crossmember in the center where there is a small gap in the bump. You can imagine at higher speeds...



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post Jun 20, 2008 - 1:15 PM
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Here is what i'm doing:

1.) Replacing front bilsteins with new ones (found a good deal, trying them once more)
2.) Getting bump stops
3.) Getting TRD or eibach 1" drop lowering springs (selling teins - too low for my application)

I have not ordered the springs or bump stops yet, so i'll probably not get to this for another week or two.


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post Jun 20, 2008 - 4:27 PM
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QUOTE (snapshotgt @ Jun 20, 2008 - 1:15 PM) *
Here is what i'm doing:

1.) Replacing front bilsteins with new ones (found a good deal, trying them once more)
2.) Getting bump stops
3.) Getting TRD or eibach 1" drop lowering springs (selling teins - too low for my application)

I have not ordered the springs or bump stops yet, so i'll probably not get to this for another week or two.


My recommendation: dollar up to the Koni yellows. Stock or stock replacement struts are not meant to be used with ANY lowering spring. Alot of us have done it with good results - at first. But then, the struts wear relatively quickly and we are in the same boat. Frankly, if you keep your teins and buy Koni's, it won't be THAT much more expensive.


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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
post Jun 25, 2008 - 9:55 PM
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Got the bilsteins. I'm concerned though because i can push the shaft all-the-way into the insert. It releases slowly (good). But, i'm worried how easy it is to compress with my bare strength - let alone a car.

QUOTE (jgreening @ Jun 20, 2008 - 4:27 PM) *
My recommendation: dollar up to the Koni yellows. Stock or stock replacement struts are not meant to be used with ANY lowering spring. Alot of us have done it with good results - at first. But then, the struts wear relatively quickly and we are in the same boat. Frankly, if you keep your teins and buy Koni's, it won't be THAT much more expensive.


Koni's are pretty near a price of some coilovers ($900ish). Am i wrong? ~ $700ish?

I like the aggressive look of the teins, but with my crossmember being so low, its almost dangerous. I've bottomed out on speed bumps ect, in fact, 2 bolts down there are slightly bent because i drove unknowingly over one of those manhole filler ports at a gas station. frown.gif

I'm looking at some TRDs with "less" of a drop - or else back to ugly stock springs. mad.gif




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post Jun 26, 2008 - 9:39 PM
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QUOTE (snapshotgt @ Jun 25, 2008 - 9:55 PM) *
Got the bilsteins. I'm concerned though because i can push the shaft all-the-way into the insert. It releases slowly (good). But, i'm worried how easy it is to compress with my bare strength - let alone a car.

QUOTE (jgreening @ Jun 20, 2008 - 4:27 PM) *
My recommendation: dollar up to the Koni yellows. Stock or stock replacement struts are not meant to be used with ANY lowering spring. Alot of us have done it with good results - at first. But then, the struts wear relatively quickly and we are in the same boat. Frankly, if you keep your teins and buy Koni's, it won't be THAT much more expensive.


Koni's are pretty near a price of some coilovers ($900ish). Am i wrong? ~ $700ish?

I like the aggressive look of the teins, but with my crossmember being so low, its almost dangerous. I've bottomed out on speed bumps ect, in fact, 2 bolts down there are slightly bent because i drove unknowingly over one of those manhole filler ports at a gas station. frown.gif

I'm looking at some TRDs with "less" of a drop - or else back to ugly stock springs. mad.gif




Koni's can be had for less than $600. Here is a link to one I found with a quick google search:

import horizon

This would be a solution that will last awhile. So, yes, its a bit more expensive but considering you wouldn't have to buy springs, it would be close. I say return those bilstiens and go with the koni's and try keeping the teins. If you are still having a problem, go to the prokit. The TRD's are MUCH lower than the prokits - any misinformation on here that TRD's are a one inch drop is simply not true. They are closer to 2".


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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Posts in this topic
- snapshotgt   Completed: Suspension issue   Jun 1, 2008 - 9:16 PM
- - Defgeph   Are you sure you purchased the real spring and not...   Jun 1, 2008 - 9:37 PM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (Defgeph @ Jun 1, 2008 - 9:37 ...   Jun 1, 2008 - 10:57 PM
- - GotToyota   Wow, that's unusually bouncy. I'd say they...   Jun 1, 2008 - 9:57 PM
- - azian_advanced   that crossmember looks really low, that could be y...   Jun 1, 2008 - 10:11 PM
- - Batman722   nice run to the car yes the crossmember is too l...   Jun 1, 2008 - 11:27 PM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Jun 1, 2008 - 11...   Jun 1, 2008 - 11:41 PM
- - Defgeph   Maybe you still have stock inserts in the front. I...   Jun 1, 2008 - 11:48 PM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (Defgeph @ Jun 1, 2008 - 11:48...   Jun 1, 2008 - 11:53 PM
- - 808celica   hmmm this is really weird. cuz i have almost blown...   Jun 2, 2008 - 12:13 AM
|- - snapshotgt   Here were some old pictures i dug up - got before ...   Jun 2, 2008 - 12:25 AM
- - 808celica   yeah isnt the boot covers supposed to be attached ...   Jun 2, 2008 - 12:39 AM
- - Jared95   maybe you just got a bad set of struts?   Jun 2, 2008 - 12:46 AM
- - njccmd2002   im using teins, but my wheels are 17/45 however y...   Jun 2, 2008 - 6:38 AM
- - hurley97   The gap looks ok. Like someone else already said, ...   Jun 2, 2008 - 6:54 AM
- - tim86   seems like theres something wrong with the struts....   Jun 6, 2008 - 3:18 AM
- - LewFX   id say install some bump stops before returning th...   Jun 6, 2008 - 10:50 AM
- - hurley97   having or not having bump stops aren't going t...   Jun 6, 2008 - 11:21 AM
- - tomazws   Engine too heavy or not, even if you have 5 guys i...   Jun 6, 2008 - 12:13 PM
- - LewFX   i dont think the struts are bad at all...this is a...   Jun 6, 2008 - 12:19 PM
- - lagos   I dont think this is an install problem. Its proba...   Jun 6, 2008 - 12:26 PM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (lagos @ Jun 6, 2008 - 12:26 P...   Jun 7, 2008 - 10:48 AM
- - LewFX   i had the bilstein/sprint combo, i didnt blow one ...   Jun 6, 2008 - 12:31 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE (LewFX @ Jun 6, 2008 - 1:31 PM...   Jun 6, 2008 - 12:34 PM
- - GotToyota   Given the extra weight of the car in the front, wo...   Jun 6, 2008 - 1:14 PM
- - DEATH   Snapshotgt - I have that same combo on mine [Not s...   Jun 6, 2008 - 1:15 PM
- - LewFX   bilsteins are very stiff compared to kyb's, i ...   Jun 6, 2008 - 2:15 PM
- - Batman722   struts are blown/worn.   Jun 7, 2008 - 7:31 AM
- - lagos   eibach prokit 1in drop, or coilovers.   Jun 7, 2008 - 11:58 AM
- - manphibian   Definitely a problem with the shocks, not the spri...   Jun 7, 2008 - 12:11 PM
- - LewFX   take the assembly out and find out for us.   Jun 7, 2008 - 4:13 PM
- - Valo666   to me it just looks like the extra weight of the n...   Jun 7, 2008 - 5:09 PM
- - gt_driFFter   I'll buy the springs from ya if you wanna buy ...   Jun 7, 2008 - 6:35 PM
- - 808celica   i got a vid for you. its me after droppin in the n...   Jun 8, 2008 - 4:12 AM
- - bootslimo   Make sure you bolted the sway bar ball joints up, ...   Jun 9, 2008 - 9:09 PM
- - snapshotgt   Here is what i'm doing: 1.) Replacing front b...   Jun 20, 2008 - 1:15 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE (snapshotgt @ Jun 20, 2008 - 1...   Jun 20, 2008 - 4:27 PM
|- - snapshotgt   Got the bilsteins. I'm concerned though becaus...   Jun 25, 2008 - 9:55 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE (snapshotgt @ Jun 25, 2008 - 9...   Jun 26, 2008 - 9:39 PM
|- - Batman722   QUOTE (jgreening @ Jun 26, 2008 - 10...   Jun 27, 2008 - 8:12 AM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 8...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:26 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE (snapshotgt @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:03 PM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (jgreening @ Jun 27, 2008 - 10...   Jun 28, 2008 - 12:40 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE (snapshotgt @ Jun 28, 2008 - 12...   Jun 28, 2008 - 1:22 PM
- - lagos   Good plan. I've been thinking of doing the sa...   Jun 20, 2008 - 1:26 PM
- - creis   how about bying a set of front shocks ment for the...   Jun 20, 2008 - 1:58 PM
- - Havok1997GT   i think its just the engine being a V6. It may no...   Jun 25, 2008 - 10:05 PM
- - DEATH   I can show you Teins and billsteins in less than a...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:37 AM
- - tim86   get a nice set of coilovers and be done with it......   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:38 PM
- - Edophus   I'd say you have a spring/damper mismatch ther...   Jun 29, 2008 - 5:48 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE (Edophus @ Jun 29, 2008 - 5:48...   Jun 30, 2008 - 12:46 PM
- - snapshotgt   For now, i've purchased KYBs for the fronts as...   Jul 26, 2008 - 12:29 AM
- - tim86   I beg to differ on the above comments about celica...   Jul 31, 2008 - 12:22 PM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE (tim86 @ Jul 31, 2008 - 12:22 ...   Aug 8, 2008 - 9:03 PM
- - snapshotgt   Update: Stopped by a friends house and we naile...   Aug 9, 2008 - 12:14 AM
- - snapshotgt   Four finger gap in the front!   Aug 9, 2008 - 5:03 PM
- - Batman722   it'll settle a bit after about a week   Aug 9, 2008 - 9:22 PM
- - snapshotgt   Done. I need an alignment before i really test ...   Aug 12, 2008 - 1:14 AM
- - lagos   How do you like the ride quality? Before/after pi...   Aug 12, 2008 - 1:46 AM
- - GotToyota   Yes, let's see those pics. And what are you do...   Aug 12, 2008 - 9:31 AM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 12, 2008 - 1:46 A...   Aug 12, 2008 - 1:43 PM
- - trdproven   My TRD springs before had a very tight two finger ...   Aug 12, 2008 - 10:23 PM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (trdproven @ Aug 12, 2008 - 10...   Aug 13, 2008 - 12:40 AM
- - jgreening   PICS!   Aug 15, 2008 - 11:49 AM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE (jgreening @ Aug 15, 2008 - 11...   Sep 1, 2008 - 8:31 PM
- - njccmd2002   1 year update, did they settle?   Aug 29, 2009 - 10:44 PM
- - ST204R   Dragging this one out of mothballs. I'm having...   Mar 28, 2015 - 2:20 AM


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