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post Jun 26, 2008 - 8:25 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_..._co/scotus_guns

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post Jun 27, 2008 - 1:54 PM
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QUOTE (alltracman78 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:33 PM) *
How many of those crimes are committed with illegal guns?
Got any statistics on that?

Take a look at Florida. 3 years ago it enacted the "castle" law. All the gun control folks screamed about the wild west, gunfights and all the innocent people that were going to get shot.
Never happened.

Washington DC had a ban on handguns for over 30 years [is what sparked this ruling], yet it's CONSISTENTLY been one of the most dangerous cities in the US.

And precisely because those "burglars and thugs" carry guns is why we should [and are] allowed to carry our own, as a deterrent. That's the whole point, which you obviously didn't get. Most criminals pry on the weak. Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field.
Someone that attempts to commit a crime with a gun is reasonably assumed to have the intent to use it, why shouldn't the victim have the right and ability to fight back if they desire?

Since you're so into statistics, got any on how gun related crime has risen or dropped in areas with gun owner friendly laws? We can start with Florida, I haven't seen anti gun advocates crowing about the sharp rise in deaths they predicted....

I wish we had the ability to stick all the people that complain about gun ownership and the death penalty on an island with all the criminals. We can even give the "good" people guns [if they want them].
It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out.
Either they would
Come to their senses and take care of the problem [possible]
Try to placate all the bad guys, because we need to be understanding to those who commit crimes, and end up dead [more possible]
Convince all the bad guys their way of life is wrong through peace and kindness [highly unlikely]

I have absolutely no problem with gun regulations, I don't believe for a minute that anyone should be able to go and get any gun they want anywhere.
I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one.


ok here you go... http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafet...ics.htm#america

"Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field. " or totally ban hand gun so nobody carries them even the thugs and burglars.

"It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out." Totally agree with you on this one.

"I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one." Im not saying you can't own a gun just cause some are too irresponsible and don't know how, when and where to use it but it's like you're saying I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't drink and drive (though I'm so responsible and 100% guaranteed will not be involved in am accident) because someone else is too dangerous to drink and drive.

Violent crimes don't get solved or prevented using violent weapons. A wrong thing cannot be corrected by another wrong doing. smile.gif




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Posts in this topic
- alltracman78   Supreme Court Finally Stands Up For Gun Owners   Jun 26, 2008 - 8:25 PM
- - supershannon77   Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun.....   Jun 26, 2008 - 8:34 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (supershannon77 @ Jun 26, 2008 - 9...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:28 AM
|- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:46 AM
|- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 10...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:07 AM
- - FreddyTheOthaMeat   im pretty sure that our forefathers ment something...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:47 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   a gun less society is defenseless against foreign ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:54 AM
- - Jeunesse   yea... but it doesn't mean that it is a peacef...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:58 AM
- - DEATH   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:34 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE it's a USA thing - don't get involve...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:08 PM
- - Jeunesse   polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:12 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:1...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:19 PM
||- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:39 PM
||- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:3...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:53 PM
|- - purplegt4   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 12...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:46 PM
- - alltracman78   How many of those crimes are committed with illega...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:33 PM
- - DEATH   Jeunesse: Because this entire world is completely ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 PM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:30 PM
- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (alltracman78 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:54 PM
|- - jcaron9gt4   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:09 PM
- - DEATH   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:03 PM
- - FreddyTheOthaMeat   geeze i wonder what we did before guns were invent...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:17 PM
|- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (FreddyTheOthaMeat @ Jun 27, 2008 ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:25 PM
- - DEATH   There is no solution. One of these days people are...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:31 PM
- - DEATH   He was being calm - as were we all. Please don...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:50 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:50 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 3...   Jun 27, 2008 - 3:01 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:01 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 5:52 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 5...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:02 PM
- - GriffGirl   Wow, I'm shocked that this thread has become a...   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:15 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (GriffGirl @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4...   Jun 27, 2008 - 5:57 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (Havok1997GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:05 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 6...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:24 PM
- - DEATH   Well said. Damn no I find myself speechless   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:24 PM
- - laff09   I'd like to chime in on this topic. The reaso...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:17 PM
|- - GriffGirl   QUOTE (laff09 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4:17 ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 7:07 PM
- - GriffGirl   I just have to throw this in real quick and then I...   Jun 27, 2008 - 7:11 PM
- - Legit94GT   Back to the main topic. The SC ruled in favor of g...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:25 PM
- - Havok1997GT   I dont see an argument forming here, its just a e...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:20 PM
- - Jeunesse   clap clap clap I would like to commend everybody t...   Jun 28, 2008 - 8:14 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 28, 2008 - 9:1...   Jun 28, 2008 - 7:28 PM
- - Havok1997GT   guns can keep you from getting killed if your a be...   Jun 28, 2008 - 1:32 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 28, 2008 - 9:21 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 3...   Jun 28, 2008 - 9:29 PM
- - supershannon77   again Jeremy it scares me that you own a gun...nah...   Jun 28, 2008 - 10:07 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (supershannon77 @ Jun 28, 2008 - 1...   Jun 28, 2008 - 11:29 PM
- - Celiracer18   honestly i think one of the greatest ways to help ...   Jun 29, 2008 - 1:29 AM
- - manphibian   Coming from a country where virtually nobody has a...   Jun 29, 2008 - 5:09 AM
- - supershannon77   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 29, 2008 - 12...   Jun 29, 2008 - 9:48 AM
- - manphibian   ^^^ That however is just ludicrous! How can a...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:08 PM
- - DEATH   Sorry - but I agree with it. If you're a big e...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 P...   Jul 1, 2008 - 4:15 PM
- - 97Celica   Guns were originally created to hunt for basic sur...   Jun 30, 2008 - 6:26 PM


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