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post Jun 26, 2008 - 8:25 PM
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post Jun 27, 2008 - 6:17 PM
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I'd like to chime in on this topic.

The reason this is so controversial.. isn't so much a second amendment fight. its a States rights issue. The Federal government is not supposed to interfere in States issues. period. It was a handgun ban in Wash DC, nothing concerning interstate commerce/trade or anything relating to cross state relations. I felt that it was a waste of federal tax dollars to even have this heard. Shouldn't the state courts be able to take care of this sufficiently?
However, I feel like handgun bans aren't really there to keep the streets gun free. Its just easier to lock a drugdealer up on gun charges for a couple years vs them getting out in 3-6 months on just drug charges, and thats why they made them illegal.
post Jun 27, 2008 - 7:07 PM
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QUOTE (laff09 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4:17 PM) *
I'd like to chime in on this topic.

The reason this is so controversial.. isn't so much a second amendment fight. its a States rights issue. The Federal government is not supposed to interfere in States issues. period. It was a handgun ban in Wash DC, nothing concerning interstate commerce/trade or anything relating to cross state relations. I felt that it was a waste of federal tax dollars to even have this heard. Shouldn't the state courts be able to take care of this sufficiently?
However, I feel like handgun bans aren't really there to keep the streets gun free. Its just easier to lock a drugdealer up on gun charges for a couple years vs them getting out in 3-6 months on just drug charges, and thats why they made them illegal.

I have to disagree with this. Each state is entitled to its own laws and constitution within the confines of the US Constitution. But federal law trumps state law, period. California's medicinal marijuana law is a perfect example of this, as is Oregon's assisted suicide law. There can be a federal raid on those doing something that is perfectly within the confines of the state law, but goes against federal law.

Further, by the argument that the Federal government is not supposed to interfere in State issues, this would mean that basically states could do whatever they wanted— segregation, polygamy, the list could go on and on. But they can't do this, because we have the Constitution to defend these rights.

Again— the rights afforded to us by the Constitution are inalienable. It is not the role or right of any state or local jurisdiction to take away those rights because they feel like they want to.

For whatever it's worth, I grew up outside of DC and I remember what it was like, especially in the early 80s when crack first came on the scene. I know all about Camden and Newark too, for that matter having left the DC area for NYC, I know all about Flatbush and BedStuy. I'm not arguing for or against guns, my argument is for upholding the Constitution.


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- alltracman78   Supreme Court Finally Stands Up For Gun Owners   Jun 26, 2008 - 8:25 PM
- - supershannon77   Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun.....   Jun 26, 2008 - 8:34 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (supershannon77 @ Jun 26, 2008 - 9...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:28 AM
|- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:46 AM
|- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 10...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:07 AM
- - FreddyTheOthaMeat   im pretty sure that our forefathers ment something...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:47 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   a gun less society is defenseless against foreign ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:54 AM
- - Jeunesse   yea... but it doesn't mean that it is a peacef...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:58 AM
- - DEATH   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:34 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE it's a USA thing - don't get involve...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:08 PM
- - Jeunesse   polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:12 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:1...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:19 PM
||- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:39 PM
||- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:3...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:53 PM
|- - purplegt4   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 12...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:46 PM
- - alltracman78   How many of those crimes are committed with illega...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:33 PM
- - DEATH   Jeunesse: Because this entire world is completely ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 PM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:30 PM
- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (alltracman78 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:54 PM
|- - jcaron9gt4   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:09 PM
- - DEATH   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:03 PM
- - FreddyTheOthaMeat   geeze i wonder what we did before guns were invent...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:17 PM
|- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (FreddyTheOthaMeat @ Jun 27, 2008 ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:25 PM
- - DEATH   There is no solution. One of these days people are...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:31 PM
- - DEATH   He was being calm - as were we all. Please don...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:50 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:50 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 3...   Jun 27, 2008 - 3:01 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:01 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 5:52 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 5...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:02 PM
- - GriffGirl   Wow, I'm shocked that this thread has become a...   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:15 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (GriffGirl @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4...   Jun 27, 2008 - 5:57 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (Havok1997GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:05 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 6...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:24 PM
- - DEATH   Well said. Damn no I find myself speechless   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:24 PM
- - laff09   I'd like to chime in on this topic. The reaso...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:17 PM
|- - GriffGirl   QUOTE (laff09 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4:17 ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 7:07 PM
- - GriffGirl   I just have to throw this in real quick and then I...   Jun 27, 2008 - 7:11 PM
- - Legit94GT   Back to the main topic. The SC ruled in favor of g...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:25 PM
- - Havok1997GT   I dont see an argument forming here, its just a e...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:20 PM
- - Jeunesse   clap clap clap I would like to commend everybody t...   Jun 28, 2008 - 8:14 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 28, 2008 - 9:1...   Jun 28, 2008 - 7:28 PM
- - Havok1997GT   guns can keep you from getting killed if your a be...   Jun 28, 2008 - 1:32 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 28, 2008 - 9:21 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 3...   Jun 28, 2008 - 9:29 PM
- - supershannon77   again Jeremy it scares me that you own a gun...nah...   Jun 28, 2008 - 10:07 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (supershannon77 @ Jun 28, 2008 - 1...   Jun 28, 2008 - 11:29 PM
- - Celiracer18   honestly i think one of the greatest ways to help ...   Jun 29, 2008 - 1:29 AM
- - manphibian   Coming from a country where virtually nobody has a...   Jun 29, 2008 - 5:09 AM
- - supershannon77   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 29, 2008 - 12...   Jun 29, 2008 - 9:48 AM
- - manphibian   ^^^ That however is just ludicrous! How can a...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:08 PM
- - DEATH   Sorry - but I agree with it. If you're a big e...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 P...   Jul 1, 2008 - 4:15 PM
- - 97Celica   Guns were originally created to hunt for basic sur...   Jun 30, 2008 - 6:26 PM


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