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post Jun 26, 2008 - 8:25 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_..._co/scotus_guns

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post Jun 28, 2008 - 9:21 PM
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QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM) *
QUOTE (alltracman78 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:33 PM) *
How many of those crimes are committed with illegal guns?
Got any statistics on that?


ok here you go... http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafet...ics.htm#america

So, most crimes are committed with illegal guns?
Not really a surprise, which makes me wonder why those of us that have LEGAL guns receive so much flak...
In addition to that, going by the statistics you provided the problem isn't the gun laws, it's lack of reinforcement.
Why then are you [collective] pushing for new laws and not pushing for enforcement of the current ones?

Here's some more statistics about kids and guns.
From http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Information...Item.asp?ID=563

"The study was conducted from 1993-1995 by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention. Child psychologists tracked 4,000 boys and girls aged 6 to 15 in Denver, Pittsburgh, and Rochester, N.Y. Their findings?

-- Children who get guns from their parents don't commit gun crimes (0 percent) while children who get guns illegally are quite likely to do so (21 percent).

-- Children who get guns from parents are less likely to commit any kind of street crime (14 percent) than children who have no gun in the house (24 percent) -- and are dramatically less likely to do so than children who acquire an illegal gun (74 percent.)

QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM) *
"Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field. " or totally ban hand gun so nobody carries them even the thugs and burglars.
So, the fact that criminals prefer illegal guns means nothing.

QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM) *
"I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one." Im not saying you can't own a gun just cause some are too irresponsible and don't know how, when and where to use it but it's like you're saying I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't drink and drive (though I'm so responsible and 100% guaranteed will not be involved in am accident) because someone else is too dangerous to drink and drive.

So by that logic, no one should own cars because some people are too dangerous to drive, no one can serve in the military or police because some aren't fit, no one can be a teacher because some aren't fit, etc, etc.

Alcohol impairs your control and judgment, period. Some more than others, but anyone that consumes alcohol is effected.
Anyone that owns a gun isn't guaranteed to attempt to use it in a crime. The majority of gun owners never will.

QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM) *
Violent crimes don't get solved or prevented using violent weapons. A wrong thing cannot be corrected by another wrong doing. smile.gif
So, if I pull a .45 on a burglar breaking into my house [we don't know why, could be to steal my things, to rape my wife/daughter, to kill me, intentionally or not], that's not going to stop him?
And if he has a gun, what's to say he didn't intend to use it in the first place? If I get the drop on him, he doesn't have much chance to use it.
Sounds a lot like prevention to me.

And, since when is self defense "wrong doing"? In case you hadn't noticed, no one is advocating armed vigilante groups that hunt down "bad guys". No one is advocating we hunt down someone that committed a crime against us and shoot them. We are SPECIFICALLY talking about preventing harm to us and our families. How exactly is that "wrong doing"?

QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 28, 2008 - 9:14 AM) *
hand guns are not solutions for accidents or crime. Got it? again, 2 wrongs don't make it right.
Again, see my last reply.






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- alltracman78   Supreme Court Finally Stands Up For Gun Owners   Jun 26, 2008 - 8:25 PM
- - supershannon77   Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun.....   Jun 26, 2008 - 8:34 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (supershannon77 @ Jun 26, 2008 - 9...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:28 AM
|- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:46 AM
|- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 10...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:07 AM
- - FreddyTheOthaMeat   im pretty sure that our forefathers ment something...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:47 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   a gun less society is defenseless against foreign ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:54 AM
- - Jeunesse   yea... but it doesn't mean that it is a peacef...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:58 AM
- - DEATH   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:34 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE it's a USA thing - don't get involve...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:08 PM
- - Jeunesse   polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:12 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:1...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:19 PM
||- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1...   Jun 27, 2008 - 12:39 PM
||- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:3...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:53 PM
|- - purplegt4   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 12...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:46 PM
- - alltracman78   How many of those crimes are committed with illega...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:33 PM
- - DEATH   Jeunesse: Because this entire world is completely ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 PM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:30 PM
- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (alltracman78 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2...   Jun 27, 2008 - 1:54 PM
|- - jcaron9gt4   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:09 PM
- - DEATH   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:03 PM
- - FreddyTheOthaMeat   geeze i wonder what we did before guns were invent...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:17 PM
|- - Jeunesse   QUOTE (FreddyTheOthaMeat @ Jun 27, 2008 ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:25 PM
- - DEATH   There is no solution. One of these days people are...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:31 PM
- - DEATH   He was being calm - as were we all. Please don...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:50 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:50 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 3...   Jun 27, 2008 - 3:01 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:01 P...   Jun 27, 2008 - 5:52 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 5...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:02 PM
- - GriffGirl   Wow, I'm shocked that this thread has become a...   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:15 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (GriffGirl @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4...   Jun 27, 2008 - 5:57 PM
|- - Sh0gunkid8721   QUOTE (Havok1997GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:05 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 6...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:24 PM
- - DEATH   Well said. Damn no I find myself speechless   Jun 27, 2008 - 4:24 PM
- - laff09   I'd like to chime in on this topic. The reaso...   Jun 27, 2008 - 6:17 PM
|- - GriffGirl   QUOTE (laff09 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4:17 ...   Jun 27, 2008 - 7:07 PM
- - GriffGirl   I just have to throw this in real quick and then I...   Jun 27, 2008 - 7:11 PM
- - Legit94GT   Back to the main topic. The SC ruled in favor of g...   Jun 27, 2008 - 10:25 PM
- - Havok1997GT   I dont see an argument forming here, its just a e...   Jun 27, 2008 - 11:20 PM
- - Jeunesse   clap clap clap I would like to commend everybody t...   Jun 28, 2008 - 8:14 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 28, 2008 - 9:1...   Jun 28, 2008 - 7:28 PM
- - Havok1997GT   guns can keep you from getting killed if your a be...   Jun 28, 2008 - 1:32 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5...   Jun 28, 2008 - 9:21 PM
- - alltracman78   QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 3...   Jun 28, 2008 - 9:29 PM
- - supershannon77   again Jeremy it scares me that you own a gun...nah...   Jun 28, 2008 - 10:07 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (supershannon77 @ Jun 28, 2008 - 1...   Jun 28, 2008 - 11:29 PM
- - Celiracer18   honestly i think one of the greatest ways to help ...   Jun 29, 2008 - 1:29 AM
- - manphibian   Coming from a country where virtually nobody has a...   Jun 29, 2008 - 5:09 AM
- - supershannon77   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 29, 2008 - 12...   Jun 29, 2008 - 9:48 AM
- - manphibian   ^^^ That however is just ludicrous! How can a...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:08 PM
- - DEATH   Sorry - but I agree with it. If you're a big e...   Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 PM
|- - Havok1997GT   QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 P...   Jul 1, 2008 - 4:15 PM
- - 97Celica   Guns were originally created to hunt for basic sur...   Jun 30, 2008 - 6:26 PM


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