My Emanage Ultimate experience, 5sfte + emanage ultimate = ??? lets find out! |
My Emanage Ultimate experience, 5sfte + emanage ultimate = ??? lets find out! |
May 16, 2006 - 11:18 AM |
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Moderator Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) |
Hey all,
So, I've finally made my decision about what to do with the 5sfte, and ways to improve it, and as we all know one of the main areas that we're lacking is tuning, or lack there of, I should say! haha.. Anyway, I've been doing some research on the various piggybacks out there, and I've decided to go ahead and try the Greddy Emanage Ultimate. I'm gonna try and make this thread somewhat like my turbo thread, with lots of pictures and info, spread out over the whole experience from beginning to end. So, with that in mind, let me just go over a few things before I really start in with the 'Ultimate stuff. For those who havent seen the thread yet, or are new to the board, heres a link to my turbo thread. Click for my 5SFTE post That pretty much covers my particular setup, and what I've done with it to date. Just for the record, the car is driven daily, and NOT babied at all. That being said, as crazy as it may sound, I really DO believe there is more in it, and fairly reliably as well. Since the install last June, I've learned tons about how this thing we call the 5SFTE really works, why it does what it does, and I'm still learning tons and tons more about it everyday. I really cannot stress how important it is to try and learn as much as possible about your particular setup, what does and doesnt work, and why it does what it does. I think one of the main issues we need to look at is how the stock N/A ECU applies timing VS' say a stock 3SGTE ecu, which is one of our big hurdles when it comes to tuning, and IMO one of the main reasons alot of guys loose the 5sfte battle...lol I've noticed during my dyno runs, when i had the BTM installed, that the ECU REALLY seemed to be pulling ALOT of timing, right at 4450RPM, as you can see in this dyno run: At first i thought it may have somthing to do with the BTM, so I played with it some, and it seemed the more I turned it down, the less it seemed to pull back, so I finally got to the point where it was totally @ 0, and I removed it. Although i could still feel it pulling timing, it was ALOT better without the BTM, and here is my theory why: (this is JUST A THEORY, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS WITHOUT A DOUBT WHATS HAPPENING, keep that in mind. the factory ECU has timing maps that are set for N/A operation. at the torque peak, there is just too much timing in the factory map for the amount of boost im trying to run, on pump gas. by the time the ecu reacts, im hitting the knock sensor, causing the ecu to pull out timing, and that coupled with the timing already being pulled by the BTM ( im WAY into full boost by then..lol) just makes the whole thing worse. I really think that with the features of the Emanage ultimate, I'll be able to totally solve that issue, and really improve my tune all around. First thing I've done, is head right over to www.greddy.com , and downloaded the installation and operation manuals from there. Once I did a little reading, I noticed some really cool features that I thing will REALLY help us get a MUCH improved tune on our 5SFTE's. heres a screenshot of some of the features it has: cool stuff. I'll keep updating this post over the next couple of days with lots more info and stuff.. for now, DISCUSS!! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Jul 6, 2008 - 3:52 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 17, '04 From St Louis, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sup man,
This is off topic (for my benz) ... Can I do ALL of the following with the e-manage: Use one analog in/out to clamp my map sensor voltage to raise my stock boost control from 6 to 11psi Use the airflow correction map to clamp it at 163 g/s (190hp) to prevent the ECU from limping when it sees more than 190hp worth of air Use the Injector correction to add the needed fuel that the ECU isn't adding (because i had clamped the MAS voltage to prevent it from freaking out). Using TWO additional analog in/out signals to modify my TPS signal and my backup TPS signal (drive by wire)... which will reduce throttle lag Use one switched digital output so that I can take control over my boost bleed air injection system so that I can hold all my boost in when i go WOT rather than have it bled into the cat to keep emissions down. Do all of this without touching my ignition setup (very complex COP) and keeping timing / ignition control with the ECU Do all this while taking the Emanage RPM input from any of my 4 coils (as there is no dizzy or rpm pulse that i could tap into) Do all of this while using my MAP as my TPS input (so the E-manage knows when the car is shifting (boost drops to 0 and then builds again) even when i'm 100% floored ) (automatic transmission) (possibly using the manual min/max settings for the TPS) How does the additional injection pulse width feature work, do you CUT the injector wires or do you just tap into them like the EM-Blue ? If you cut them totally ? do you think it will trigger a CEL on OBD-2 ? Thanks man... -------------------- 2005 MB C200 Kompressor- K&N, Apexi WS2 Catback, DIY Voltage stabilizer, Intrax Springs, H&R RR swaybar, VDO Boost Gauge @ 6psi, Greddy L7 plugs, +0 Rear tires
To Do: E-manage Ultimate tuned up to 12psi |
Jul 6, 2008 - 11:24 AM |
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Moderator Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%) |
Sup man, This is off topic (for my benz) ... Can I do ALL of the following with the e-manage: Use one analog in/out to clamp my map sensor voltage to raise my stock boost control from 6 to 11psi Use the airflow correction map to clamp it at 163 g/s (190hp) to prevent the ECU from limping when it sees more than 190hp worth of air Use the Injector correction to add the needed fuel that the ECU isn't adding (because i had clamped the MAS voltage to prevent it from freaking out). Using TWO additional analog in/out signals to modify my TPS signal and my backup TPS signal (drive by wire)... which will reduce throttle lag Use one switched digital output so that I can take control over my boost bleed air injection system so that I can hold all my boost in when i go WOT rather than have it bled into the cat to keep emissions down. Do all of this without touching my ignition setup (very complex COP) and keeping timing / ignition control with the ECU Do all this while taking the Emanage RPM input from any of my 4 coils (as there is no dizzy or rpm pulse that i could tap into) Do all of this while using my MAP as my TPS input (so the E-manage knows when the car is shifting (boost drops to 0 and then builds again) even when i'm 100% floored ) (automatic transmission) (possibly using the manual min/max settings for the TPS) How does the additional injection pulse width feature work, do you CUT the injector wires or do you just tap into them like the EM-Blue ? If you cut them totally ? do you think it will trigger a CEL on OBD-2 ? Thanks man... ok lets see. yes for sure for the first 3. the next 3 i "think" it can do, you'd have to research the manuals yourself for those. yes to not touching the IG side. it itercepts the injector outputs. ( cut wires) i have read of a few issues with triggering the CEL, but there has been updates and such to help correct the problems people were having early on. 'specially with the benz nuke, i would think the redundant systems would catch on, but who knows unless you try! -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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