 Boost addicted?, Driving experience with St, ST-T, Euro GT, JDM SS-II (Beams) |
 Jul 11, 2008 - 9:04 AM
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I would like to share with weird experience... I bought ST (European model, 115HP) 4 years ago and was so happy driving that "fast" car (previous experience only with crappy 50ponny jalopy so you can imagine my happiness
 ). Than after two years Romas turned my ST to ST-T (176/206HP). And I had feeling like "I can fly" lol. After another year everything went wrong. Not with car... with me . That car is "slow" again! I just have... Or better say had  that feeling all the time. Everything has changed after experinence with stock Euro GT (170HP). One of my friends (just sick of my stupid talking) said: "You think you have slow-ass car? Here... try my GT". I was shocked... my first question was: "Anything broken in your car?... that engine has 'no power'. Acceleration is horrible...". No his car was in perfect shape... It was just in me. I'm sure now. Because few weeks ago I had chance to drive JDM SS-II with beams inside (so instant 200HP car). I had almost the same feeling... that means... that car is "slow". According to my feelings of course... So... I have only two explanations:a) I'm boost addicted b) my ST-T has more power than 206HP !? Or is it just reality only turbocharged engine can give you that real feeling you have "fast" car? Sad to say I have never drove stock GT-four to compare... So I can not say 
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Jul 11, 2008 - 5:03 PM
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You fall into the trap that most people do, thinking that BHP is what makes a car feel fast. It isn't, it's Torque that makes a car feel like it accelerating fast, even if it isn't.
We have TDCI Ford Mondeo estates at work (turbo diesel station wagons), and they feel quicker accelerating than my Gt, because they have loads more torque. But if you actually look at the 0-60's, the celica is about 2 seconds faster. It's the torque that you're addicted to, as that's the thing that pushes you back in the seat, even if you're not getting to 60 any quicker. If that makes any sense? 
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Jul 12, 2008 - 2:47 AM
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QUOTE (manphibian @ Jul 12, 2008 - 12:03 AM)  You fall into the trap that most people do, thinking that BHP is what makes a car feel fast. It isn't, it's Torque that makes a car feel like it accelerating fast, even if it isn't. We have TDCI Ford Mondeo estates at work (turbo diesel station wagons), and they feel quicker accelerating than my Gt, because they have loads more torque. But if you actually look at the 0-60's, the celica is about 2 seconds faster. It's the torque that you're addicted to, as that's the thing that pushes you back in the seat, even if you're not getting to 60 any quicker. If that makes any sense? I have looked on torques and... see numbers: Euro ST: 154Nm Euro GT: 186Nm JDM SS-II: 216Nm my baby: 225/296Nm so even low boost is more than 3SGE beams... That makes sense a damn lot now! note: stock GT-four has 304Nm... but because it's for (about) 200kg heavier... who knows
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Jul 12, 2008 - 3:47 AM
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QUOTE (malpaso @ Jul 12, 2008 - 1:47 AM) QUOTE (manphibian @ Jul 12, 2008 - 12:03 AM) You fall into the trap that most people do, thinking that BHP is what makes a car feel fast. It isn't, it's Torque that makes a car feel like it accelerating fast, even if it isn't. We have TDCI Ford Mondeo estates at work (turbo diesel station wagons), and they feel quicker accelerating than my Gt, because they have loads more torque. But if you actually look at the 0-60's, the celica is about 2 seconds faster. It's the torque that you're addicted to, as that's the thing that pushes you back in the seat, even if you're not getting to 60 any quicker. If that makes any sense? I have looked on torques and... see numbers: Euro ST: 154Nm Euro GT: 186Nm JDM SS-II: 216Nm my baby: 225/296Nm so even low boost is more than 3SGE beams... That makes sense a damn lot now! note: stock GT-four has 304Nm... but because it's for (about) 200kg heavier... who knows Can someone convert this to US nomenclature, ie Horsepower (HP)? |
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Jul 14, 2008 - 2:54 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 3, '06 From Czech Republic (Europe) Currently Offline Reputation: 56 (100%) |
QUOTE (Celicav @ Jul 12, 2008 - 10:47 AM) Can someone convert this to US nomenclature, ie Horsepower (HP)? You mean to pound-foot? QUOTE (malpaso @ Jul 12, 2008 - 1:47 AM) I have looked on torques and... see numbers: Euro ST: 154Nm ~ 114 ft·lbf Euro GT: 186Nm ~ 137 ft·lbf JDM SS-II: 216Nm ~ 159 ft·lbf my baby: 225/296Nm ~ 166/218 ft·lbf so even low boost is more than 3SGE beams... That makes sense a damn lot now! note: stock GT-four has 304Nm ~ 224 ft·lbf... but because it's for (about) 200kg ~ 440lb heavier... who knows Hope it's right
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malpaso Boost addicted? Jul 11, 2008 - 9:04 AM
x_itchy_b_x my car is slow. my friends are like your a retard ... Jul 11, 2008 - 9:13 AM 96bluevert I gotta agree, once you get used to a certain amou... Jul 11, 2008 - 9:24 AM playr158 You just adjust to the increase in hp/tq and the w... Jul 11, 2008 - 9:41 AM cjh4l22 QUOTE (x_itchy_b_x @ Jul 11, 2008 - 10... Jul 11, 2008 - 4:27 PM jason in my experience, unless you are on a track, a tur... Jul 11, 2008 - 4:53 PM _mikeE Haha, he's saying this because he had the chan... Jul 11, 2008 - 4:57 PM
delusionz QUOTE (Celicav @ Jul 12, 2008 - 8:47... Jul 14, 2008 - 4:50 AM parriehunter QUOTE (delusionz @ Jul 14, 2008 - 4... Jul 14, 2008 - 6:05 AM 95CelicaST Boost is addicting, this is true. I drove my co-wo... Jul 11, 2008 - 5:28 PM lagos All those cars were rated a the crank. Your turbo ... Jul 11, 2008 - 5:43 PM 808celica booost addict................. a good kind of add... Jul 11, 2008 - 10:48 PM OOBE I guarantee you your ST feels quicker than a GT-4,... Jul 14, 2008 - 6:17 AM 97Celica I drive a 00 GT-S 6-speed that I've done some ... Jul 14, 2008 - 8:14 AM manphibian QUOTE (97Celica @ Jul 14, 2008 - 2:1... Jul 14, 2008 - 2:14 PM creis Boost is awsome the thing is with a turbo you fee... Jul 14, 2008 - 11:17 AM CelicaST_CALI i say park the celi,give the keys to someone else(... Jul 14, 2008 - 1:41 PM 95CelicaST QUOTE (CelicaST_CALI @ Jul 14, 2008 - 11... Jul 14, 2008 - 2:31 PM CelicaST_CALI there are plenty of cars that are slower than a 7a... Jul 14, 2008 - 5:32 PM |
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