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post Jul 22, 2008 - 10:07 AM
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Going off of the topic... Can a cop make you pop...

So i guess i totally never thought about this, but would soing a 3sgte swap into a 94-95 celi be illegal?
I say 94-95 because of smog regulations and OBDII, but aside from worrying about emissions... Would it be illegal to have a celi with a 3sgte in there? Assuming that you didnt do anything really crazy with...

Same questions goes for 96-99 celi's?

Please just facts or good links to helpfull sites.


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post Jul 23, 2008 - 8:04 PM
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- Run the JDM engine using an OBD2 USDM ECU. This is only possibly on a handful of swaps, one good example being the 2JZGTE VVTi swap into an IS300 or GS300. The IS300/GS300 ECU and harness is very similar to that of the 2JZGTE VVTi, so you can use the stock USDM harness and ECU to run the engine, with a piggyback or standalone and some good tuning. A number of people have passed emissions this way.


I was actually thinking about doing this a few months ago, since my car is obd2. I was going to get another set of ecu plugs, and Tee them off the main harness. That way, i could plug either ecu in, if I ever needed .

we already know you can use the 3s map sensor on the 5s ecu.
You can use the intake air temp inside the afm since it has a similar scale.
Coil is the same.
Igniter will work but wont let you rev above 4k.
Distributor SHOULD be the same.

Only issue I could think of is that the injectors are high impedence for the 5sfe.

Then it would just be a matter of tuning for the 440s with an safc, and making sure the ecu sees what it wants to see from both o2 sensors that are needed to spit out the a-ok for the odb2 emissions system.

Another way of doing this would be to keep both ecu's in the car, and have the 5sfe one running off a simulator. I know megasquirt has a simulator for testing their ems that just sends out dummy rpm, coolant temp, etc... voltages to full the ecu into thinking its running in a car.




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post Aug 7, 2008 - 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (lagos @ Jul 24, 2008 - 2:04 AM) *
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- Run the JDM engine using an OBD2 USDM ECU. This is only possibly on a handful of swaps, one good example being the 2JZGTE VVTi swap into an IS300 or GS300. The IS300/GS300 ECU and harness is very similar to that of the 2JZGTE VVTi, so you can use the stock USDM harness and ECU to run the engine, with a piggyback or standalone and some good tuning. A number of people have passed emissions this way.


I was actually thinking about doing this a few months ago, since my car is obd2. I was going to get another set of ecu plugs, and Tee them off the main harness. That way, i could plug either ecu in, if I ever needed .

we already know you can use the 3s map sensor on the 5s ecu.
You can use the intake air temp inside the afm since it has a similar scale.
Coil is the same.
Igniter will work but wont let you rev above 4k.
Distributor SHOULD be the same.

Only issue I could think of is that the injectors are high impedence for the 5sfe.

Then it would just be a matter of tuning for the 440s with an safc, and making sure the ecu sees what it wants to see from both o2 sensors that are needed to spit out the a-ok for the odb2 emissions system.

Another way of doing this would be to keep both ecu's in the car, and have the 5sfe one running off a simulator. I know megasquirt has a simulator for testing their ems that just sends out dummy rpm, coolant temp, etc... voltages to full the ecu into thinking its running in a car.


You'd want to use the 5S distributor (they are different) and igniter, and then tune the 5S using a good piggyback... yeah, could be done.

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Posts in this topic
- Legit94GT   3sgte illegal?   Jul 22, 2008 - 10:07 AM
- - 96bluevert   illegal? yes, in any instance b/c the 3sgte never ...   Jul 22, 2008 - 11:37 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (96bluevert @ Jul 22, 2008 - 11...   Jul 22, 2008 - 12:10 PM
- - 99Celica   QUOTE (96bluevert @ Jul 22, 2008 - 12...   Jul 22, 2008 - 12:32 PM
- - DropTop95   THANK GOD I LIVE IN FL. I see 1st gen rx7s with ...   Jul 22, 2008 - 3:08 PM
- - D-Man   Legit, it's based on your state. Some cars are...   Jul 22, 2008 - 4:39 PM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (D-Man @ Jul 22, 2008 - 5...   Jul 22, 2008 - 4:42 PM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jul 22, 2008 - 4...   Jul 22, 2008 - 4:48 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (D-Man @ Jul 22, 2008 - 4...   Jul 22, 2008 - 5:01 PM
- - GriffGirl   My boss sent me this last week, 'cause he know...   Jul 22, 2008 - 5:00 PM
- - Stallion   so would it be alright to find a 94 3sgte or shoul...   Jul 23, 2008 - 1:49 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   I believe that TECHNICALLY there is a federal law ...   Jul 23, 2008 - 9:25 AM
|- - Legit94GT   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Jul 23, 2008 - 9:2...   Jul 23, 2008 - 9:39 AM
|- - Stallion   wow thats a lot of great info, thanks doc. my car ...   Jul 25, 2008 - 8:39 PM
- - njccmd2002   what about a turbo set up in the 5sfe? is this leg...   Jul 23, 2008 - 5:52 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE - Run the JDM engine using an OBD2 USDM ECU....   Jul 23, 2008 - 8:04 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (lagos @ Jul 24, 2008 - 2:04 A...   Aug 7, 2008 - 12:14 PM
- - reko   Awe poor you guys... You wish you lived in Canada ...   Aug 7, 2008 - 12:10 PM
- - GMan   > lagos > '98 GT Hatchback > From Phi...   Aug 15, 2008 - 8:38 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (GMan @ Aug 16, 2008 - 2:38 AM...   Aug 16, 2008 - 10:02 AM


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