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post Sep 9, 2008 - 9:27 AM
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Discussion on what makes a sports car, and why. What comes close but doesnt make the cut?

Supersprynts list: (based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car)

Nissan 350Z
Toyota Supra
Chevy Camaro
Chevy Corvette
BMW M3
Mazda RX8
Honda S2000

Others:
Toyota Celica
Mitsubishi Evo
Subaru STI
Nissan Maxima (lol)
Acura Integra Type-R
Honda Del Sol


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post Sep 9, 2008 - 9:52 AM
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QUOTE (devilsden97 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 9:43 AM) *
if you call the type-r rev happy....IIRC the s2k's redline is ~9k


the s2k's with the 2.0 is 9k revlimit but the current 2.2 is 8k rev limit.

here is what wikipedia has to say about the ITR's B18C5:
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The Type R's B18C5 engine was not merely a tuned version of the GS-R's B18C1. Instead of utilizing a reworked version of the GS-R head Honda engineers chose to use the PR3 head found on the Civic Si's B16. This head compared to the B16's was tuned, polished and outfitted to make the most of the 1.8L high-reving engine. Molybdenum-coated, high compression pistons and stronger-but-lighter connecting rods strengthened the reciprocating assembly. Extra counterweighting on the crankshaft altered its vibration modes to enhance durability at high RPM. The intake valves were reshaped with a thinner stem and crown that reduced weight and improved flow. The intake ports were given a minor port and polish. Stiffer valve springs resisted float on more aggressive camshafts. Intake air was now drawn from inside the fender well, for a colder, denser charge. That intake fed a short-runner intake manifold with a larger throttle body for better breathing. An improved stainless steel exhaust collector with more gentle merge angles, a change to a larger, consistent piping diameter, flared internal piping in the muffler allowed easier exit of gases. A retuned engine computer also contributed to improved power output, which allowed the Type R to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph (100 km/h) in 6.2 seconds(as apposed to the gs-r's 7.0).

The transmission was upgraded with lower and closer gear ratios in second through fifth gears, in order to take advantage of the additional rev range. The North American version retained the same 4.4 final drive throughout the Type R's production run, unlike the Japanese version, which in 1998 changed to a 4.785 final drive along with revised gearing. The Type R's open differential was replaced with a torque-sensing limited slip type.

The chassis received enhancements in the form of reinforcements to the rear wheel wells, roof rail, and other key areas. "Performance rods", chassis braces that were bolted in place, were added to the rear trunk wall and subframe. The front strut tower bar was replaced with a stronger aluminum piece, and the R also received the addition of a rear strut tower bar. Camber rigidity was improved at the rear by increasing wheel bearing span by 10 mm. The Type R's body also received a new functional rear spoiler, body-colored rocker panels and front lip, and 5-bolt hubs with special lightweight Type-R wheels. Under those wheels was a much larger set of disc brakes, front and back. The tires were upgraded to Bridgestone RE010 "summer" tires.

The Type R received very aggressive tuning in its suspension settings. All soft rubber bushings were replaced with much stiffer versions, as much as 5.3 times higher in durometer readings. The springs and dampers were much stiffer, with a 10 mm (0.4 in) reduction in ride height. The rear anti-roll bar diameter was increased to 22 mm (0.9 in) in diameter. The front anti-roll bar retained the same size, although the end links were changed to a more responsive sealed ball joint as opposed to a rubber bushing on the lesser models. The result was a chassis with very responsive, racetrack-ready handling that ably absorbed mid-corner bumps. Mild oversteer was easy to induce with a lift of the throttle, and during steady-state cornering the car maintained a slight tail-out stance.

The interior was stripped down to reduce weight. The air conditioning system was removed in early models and nearly all the sound-dampening material was eliminated. This provided for a much noisier ride, but since the Type-R was marketed as a race car for the street, most owners didn't mind. The seats were also unique to the Type-R. Standard were weight saving Recaro racing seats


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Posts in this topic
- devilsden97   What makes a sports car?   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:27 AM
- - Supersprynt   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car Your wiki...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:29 AM
- - devilsden97   ^with that being posted. were talking FROM the FA...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:37 AM
- - spolski07   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Sep 9, 2008 - 7...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:40 AM
- - D-Man   Maxima is still an epic failure on the sports car ...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:41 AM
- - devilsden97   if you call the type-r rev happy....IIRC the s2k...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:43 AM
- - spolski07   yet somehow the nissan is trying to market the 09m...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:46 AM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (spolski07 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 9:4...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:49 AM
- - spolski07   QUOTE (devilsden97 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 9...   Sep 9, 2008 - 9:52 AM
- - playr158   ITR fails cause its FWD. also ITR isn't wise ...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:00 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE (playr158 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 10:0...   Sep 9, 2008 - 5:47 PM
- - devilsden97   QUOTE (spolski07 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 10...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:05 AM
- - spolski07   QUOTE (playr158 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 10:0...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:07 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE (devilsden97 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 11...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:09 AM
- - devilsden97   dan you of all people know the m3 (any version) ha...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:09 AM
- - spolski07   edit: dan beat me to it. about the autox thing   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:10 AM
- - devilsden97   QUOTE (playr158 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 11:0...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:11 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE (devilsden97 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 11...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:14 AM
- - devilsden97   m3 back seat point... idk.. i cant remember now. ...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:20 AM
- - spolski07   agreed, nothing wrong with a healthy debate i also...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:26 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE DuBpLayR (11:23:07 AM): sports car or whatev...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:26 AM
- - devilsden97   i actually agree.. 100% "real sports cars do...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:30 AM
- - tomazws   So the Celica is a what car now?   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:43 AM
|- - manphibian   QUOTE (tomazws @ Sep 9, 2008 - 4:43 ...   Sep 9, 2008 - 11:00 AM
|- - azian_advanced   QUOTE (manphibian @ Sep 9, 2008 - 11...   Sep 10, 2008 - 12:42 AM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Sep 10, 2008 - 1...   Sep 10, 2008 - 9:21 AM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Sep 10, 2008 - 1...   Sep 10, 2008 - 1:42 PM
- - playr158   a girl's car.... sport compact car   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:54 AM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (playr158 @ Sep 9, 2008 - 10:5...   Sep 9, 2008 - 12:11 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   real sports cars are two seaters.   Sep 9, 2008 - 11:03 AM
|- - Taskbot   Adding my two cents to the debate. True Sports Ca...   Sep 10, 2008 - 8:41 AM
- - Supersprynt   I will disagree that there can't be any backse...   Sep 9, 2008 - 12:06 PM
- - playr158   what D-man you think I would lie?!   Sep 9, 2008 - 12:19 PM
- - supershannon77   wow Migga I never see u posting ne more... When i...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:13 PM
- - Supersprynt   They're imported, thats probably why you'd...   Sep 9, 2008 - 10:32 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Sep 9, 2008 - 11...   Sep 9, 2008 - 11:09 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (DEATH @ Sep 10, 2008 - 2:42 P...   Sep 10, 2008 - 1:54 PM
- - D-Man   QUOTE (DEATH @ Sep 10, 2008 - 1:42 P...   Sep 10, 2008 - 2:09 PM
- - Random_Stranger   Hhmmm..... What makes a sports car? Simple. ...   Sep 10, 2008 - 3:20 PM
- - Supersprynt   I think your looking entirely too deeply into this...   Sep 10, 2008 - 4:23 PM
- - azian_advanced   not sure about the sexy part because some are actu...   Sep 10, 2008 - 4:48 PM
- - Rayme   The rx-8 has 4 doors, its not a sports car (supers...   Sep 10, 2008 - 7:19 PM
- - Taskbot   Rayme Couldn't have said it better myself. ...   Sep 10, 2008 - 8:28 PM
- - Akirad1   lets say this little thing ive thought of: breakin...   Sep 10, 2008 - 8:46 PM
- - bslik   my neighbor has a 4th gen supra undergoing a twin ...   Sep 10, 2008 - 11:07 PM
- - Supersprynt   The RX8's "doors" are a loose term. ...   Sep 10, 2008 - 11:14 PM
- - Akirad1   and a rx8 seat 4 adults confortably i would know m...   Sep 10, 2008 - 11:17 PM
- - Supersprynt   That's nice.   Sep 11, 2008 - 12:33 AM
- - spolski07   since when is a "sport compact car" not ...   Sep 11, 2008 - 1:08 AM
- - Supersprynt   Dude Insurance companies find any reason to charge...   Sep 11, 2008 - 1:24 AM
- - spolski07   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Sep 11, 2008 - 1...   Sep 11, 2008 - 1:54 AM
- - tomazws   If there is an argument on what is the slowest spo...   Sep 11, 2008 - 12:33 PM


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