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post Oct 19, 2008 - 1:34 PM
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After doing a bunch of research and deciding with what to do with my set up, I've decided to go 5sgte rather than 5sfte. The reasons should be obvious since I'm going for a performance build.
In recent weeks, I've done a lot of reading and made a few phone calls and found out that there are two versions of the 5sfe block. Great.
Now between both Camry's and Celica's, what years are the older version blocks and which ones are the newer versions?


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post Oct 21, 2008 - 4:15 PM
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I called a few places and asked on several forums and it's apparently very doable and for Camry guys like myself, is cost efficient vs. doing a full 3rd gen5 3SGTE swap.
The two garages I called, EngineLogics and ATS Racing, both said there's a BIG misunderstanding as to how difficult, or should I say easy, the swap is to perform.
From the information I have been gathering, the two different blocks are really the same, except some come with a forged crank and knock sensor, and the water jackets will either fit directly (1992-prior) or it will be a hit and miss (1993+ 5sfe). So only a couple hundred dollars of machining out the water jackets and head gasket to match the holes will make them fit. That is directly from machinists who've built and have 5SGTE cars from both of those garages. To answer someone above, the 5SGTE is a 3SGTE cylinder head with a 5SFE block. Some people say that power is less achievable but that's stupid. Simply go to raceeng.com and order a set of 3SGTE/5SFE connecting rods and pistons and install. Reason being that the 5SFE block is better to use is like I said forged crank (for some) and a larger displacement. As well as that it's no different really from a 3SGTE. Everyone knows that. You can easily get those same rods and pistons from raceeng.com and install them in the 3SGTE block and come up with the same bore and displacement, but the stroke may be shorter.
The only parts you need to make the head fit (excluding the head gasket issue) are pretty much just the timing belt components, idler pulleys, water/oil pump... The obvious are the map sensor, harness, ecu and such. All in all, I believe it's an easy setup to go with.


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- RichieRichJP   5SFE Block. Old or new?   Oct 19, 2008 - 1:34 PM
- - presure2   pre 92 blocks are considered "old" all t...   Oct 19, 2008 - 3:13 PM
- - RichieRichJP   Ok, that's what one guy told me on mr2oc, but ...   Oct 19, 2008 - 4:21 PM
- - alltracman78   90/91 blocks didn't come with a knock sensor, ...   Oct 19, 2008 - 4:22 PM
- - RichieRichJP   Thanks for the info guys. Hopefully I still don...   Oct 19, 2008 - 7:34 PM
- - relyks95gt   whats the diffrence between 5sfte and 5sgte?   Oct 19, 2008 - 10:11 PM
|- - samir0189   QUOTE (relyks95gt @ Oct 19, 2008 - 10...   Oct 19, 2008 - 11:15 PM
|- - stephen_lee   QUOTE (samir0189 @ Oct 19, 2008 - 11...   Oct 20, 2008 - 1:21 PM
- - relyks95gt   how do i know which one is mines?   Oct 20, 2008 - 11:43 PM
|- - samir0189   stephen_lee- I did not know that .. learned someth...   Oct 21, 2008 - 1:11 AM
- - Smaay   you are both right, but its more than that, the en...   Oct 21, 2008 - 10:30 AM
- - GotToyota   I'm confused, what car had the 5SGE?   Oct 21, 2008 - 11:44 AM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (GotToyota @ Oct 21, 2008 - 11...   Oct 21, 2008 - 11:57 AM
- - GotToyota   I gotcha. Why not just use the 5S block with the 3...   Oct 21, 2008 - 12:06 PM
|- - samir0189   QUOTE (GotToyota @ Oct 21, 2008 - 1...   Oct 21, 2008 - 12:25 PM
- - bslik   im actually rebuilding my 5s block right now to go...   Oct 21, 2008 - 1:10 PM
- - DEATH   Basically you have the right idea however there is...   Oct 21, 2008 - 1:11 PM
- - samir0189   Yeah I think I've read somewhere on here that ...   Oct 21, 2008 - 2:06 PM
- - RichieRichJP   I called a few places and asked on several forums ...   Oct 21, 2008 - 4:15 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (RichieRichJP @ Oct 21, 2008 - 5...   Oct 21, 2008 - 4:38 PM
- - DEATH   Those two companies [Both of which I have had deal...   Oct 21, 2008 - 4:30 PM
- - RichieRichJP   Yeah because you have to splice the harnesses toge...   Oct 21, 2008 - 5:12 PM


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