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post Oct 23, 2008 - 12:54 PM
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One of the few things that I dislike about my '99 Celica Convertible is that the gas mileage isn't as good as it could be. The 1997-2001 Camry, which had the same engine, got 3 mpg better on the highway with a 5-speed than my Celica does with a 5-speed, and the Camry weighed about 300 lbs more! I can only attribute this to the high revs of my Celica's 5th gear. So, my question is, can I achieve better fuel economy with a larger diameter wheel/tire combination? I know it would throw my speedometer off a bit, but to save fuel, it would be worth it to me. On that same note, what would would the tallest tire that I could put on a 16" rim and not suffer from any fender rubbing? What about a 17" rim? Thanks for your help!

 
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post Oct 23, 2008 - 7:18 PM
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well you are correct still i suppose.

"In a ground vehicle with a suspension, the unsprung weight (or, more properly, the unsprung mass) is the mass of the suspension, wheels or tracks (as applicable), and other components directly connected to them, rather than supported by the suspension. (The mass of the body and other components supported by the suspension is the sprung mass.) Unsprung weight includes the mass of components such as the wheel axles, wheel bearings, tires, and a portion of the weight of driveshafts, springs, shock absorbers, and suspension links. If the vehicle's brakes are mounted outboard (i.e., within the wheel), their weight is also part of the unsprung weight."

i guess we can say a wheel is/should be both unsprung and rotational mass.

we should be more specific and state that during rotation weight is the same but mass increases as a function of speed.

rotational mass effects the car during acceleration and the effects of the work required to accelerate a heavier object.
heavier wheels result in slower acceleration, where as lighter wheels result in faster acceleration.
this gets into a whole event of rotational dynamics, moment of interia and such.

but easy way to say is....dyno on 18s and dyno on 16s...and the 18s will dyno less power.
it takes more work and force (ie more gas) to move larger and/or heavier wheels.

end story is removing weight from things that spin(wheel) can be more beneficial than the same weight of something that doesnt (sub box)

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- joyworks   Increasing Gas Mileage With Taller Tires?   Oct 23, 2008 - 12:54 PM
- - playr158   you'd probably negate any savings by adding th...   Oct 23, 2008 - 1:06 PM
- - samir0189   Ill have to agree with playr, tune it up. The 5sfe...   Oct 23, 2008 - 1:27 PM
|- - joyworks   Actually, I already do all of those things. I am ...   Oct 23, 2008 - 1:39 PM
|- - D-Man   QUOTE (joyworks @ Oct 23, 2008 - 1:3...   Oct 23, 2008 - 4:32 PM
- - samir0189   I'm not a physics major, but I'm thinking ...   Oct 23, 2008 - 2:06 PM
|- - joyworks   You really think that lifting the car a half inch ...   Oct 23, 2008 - 2:42 PM
- - dgbldr   No, no and no. 1. No, you can't attribute the...   Oct 23, 2008 - 3:59 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (dgbldr @ Oct 23, 2008 - 3:59 ...   Oct 23, 2008 - 4:41 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (dgbldr @ Oct 23, 2008 - 4:59 ...   Oct 23, 2008 - 4:56 PM
- - samir0189   I really don't think that the rpm difference i...   Oct 23, 2008 - 5:23 PM
- - GriffGirl   Larger tires/increased height actually can decreas...   Oct 23, 2008 - 5:39 PM
- - RickJamesBish   It always pisses me off when my car is rated 27/34...   Oct 23, 2008 - 5:57 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (samir0189 @ Oct 23, 2008 - 6...   Oct 23, 2008 - 6:35 PM
|- - dgbldr   QUOTE (playr158 @ Oct 23, 2008 - 7:3...   Oct 23, 2008 - 7:31 PM
- - samir0189   Lol. i did say i was not a physics major. I unders...   Oct 23, 2008 - 6:48 PM
- - playr158   well you are correct still i suppose. "In a...   Oct 23, 2008 - 7:18 PM
- - samir0189   righttttt. So then, in theory the added weight of ...   Oct 23, 2008 - 7:32 PM
- - joyworks   Thank you all for your comments so far. But, let...   Oct 23, 2008 - 8:43 PM
- - blu94gt   QUOTE (joyworks @ Oct 23, 2008 - 8:4...   Oct 23, 2008 - 10:24 PM
- - D-Man   QUOTE (RickJamesBish @ Oct 23, 2008 - 5...   Oct 24, 2008 - 8:27 AM
|- - RickJamesBish   QUOTE (D-Man @ Oct 24, 2008 - 9...   Oct 25, 2008 - 11:27 AM
|- - GriffGirl   QUOTE (RickJamesBish @ Oct 25, 2008 - 9...   Oct 28, 2008 - 3:21 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (dgbldr @ Oct 23, 2008 - 8:31 ...   Oct 24, 2008 - 8:28 AM
- - 97GTinKC   Wheel size alone can not be used as an indicator o...   Oct 24, 2008 - 5:22 PM
|- - joyworks   Well said 97GTinKC, those are my feelings on the s...   Oct 24, 2008 - 6:07 PM
|- - GriffGirl   QUOTE (joyworks @ Oct 24, 2008 - 4:0...   Oct 28, 2008 - 3:24 PM
- - GriffGirl   But it makes us tree hugging left wing liberals ou...   Oct 24, 2008 - 5:32 PM
- - 97GTinKC   I'm going with 215/50-16 next time in place o...   Oct 28, 2008 - 1:11 AM
- - alaNi   touche what octane do you guys use?   Oct 28, 2008 - 1:32 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE (97GTinKC @ Oct 24, 2008 - 6:2...   Oct 28, 2008 - 6:10 AM
- - RickJamesBish   Well, that's mad annoying...I'll just have...   Oct 28, 2008 - 3:24 PM


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