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post Oct 30, 2008 - 9:09 PM
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I was thinking this over today and thought that it would be a cool discussion to post up. I'm getting a little concerned about the future of engine swaps. It seems like Toyota hasn't been building ANYTHING high-performance in the last few years. I love our Celicas, but they're coming up on 10 years old for the newest '99 model now. 2nd gen 3SGTE engines are minimum 15-16 years old...

I've been looking at the newer models trying to think of what the next batch of engine swapping is going to be. The 7th gen Celica is already out of production and hasn't gotten a whole lot of love. Of course the 2ZZ is a common swap but that engine never really took real well. 3SGTE into a 7th gen is something I'd like to do some more of, but still, the 3S is getting older. I guess the tC is the next platform to look at, but what to swap into it??? There's practically nothing out there for decent Toyota engines, the 2AZ only makes 160hp. I've sort of been looking at the 300hp 2GR-FSE but it's scary... lots of modern electronics to work around, immobilizer, etc.

2ZZ in a Yaris might be interesting...

Discuss! smile.gif

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post Oct 31, 2008 - 12:04 AM
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TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc
post Oct 31, 2008 - 3:20 PM
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QUOTE (gt_driFFter @ Oct 30, 2008 - 10:04 PM) *
TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque biggrin.gif

Anyway it's totally gonna be my next car, so I can start that Blacktop 6 speed swap into my celi tongue.gif

3s-ge blacktop though? I thought the blacktop was 4a-ge. There's a 3s-ge blacktop too? hmm....


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post Oct 31, 2008 - 4:26 PM
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QUOTE (GriffGirl @ Oct 31, 2008 - 3:20 PM) *
QUOTE (gt_driFFter @ Oct 30, 2008 - 10:04 PM) *
TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque


i beg to differ tongue.gif my co-worker has one (2006) and the interior is just plain cheap. just knock on the plastic panel on the door and dash and you'll see why laugh.gif newer cars are made like that to shave off weight, i would think so. otherwise, you can't complain about the exterior. i love the looks of the exterior. the interior of the 6th gen celica was very well laid out and i think it's one of the best interiors i've ever been in a car. i guess everyone has different tastes and views of it but whatever lol.

anyways, back on topic. i used to love toyota. now i hate toyota. i, for one, am glad that i lived through the 90s to see the import super cars battle (supra, 300zx, rx7, mr2, civic si, 240sx, etc etc). now and days, there aren't much to see. the new models are so bland, especially the new venza. it's just plain ugly. only new toyota i would get is the camry se. otherwise im crawling to nissan & honda. this is the reason why i'm going to buy myself an EM1. there are endless mods and engine swaps. sorry toyota but you suck! mad.gif

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post Oct 31, 2008 - 6:32 PM
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QUOTE (block @ Oct 31, 2008 - 10:26 PM) *
i beg to differ tongue.gif my co-worker has one (2006) and the interior is just plain cheap. just knock on the plastic panel on the door and dash and you'll see why laugh.gif newer cars are made like that to shave off weight, i would think so. otherwise, you can't complain about the exterior. i love the looks of the exterior. the interior of the 6th gen celica was very well laid out and i think it's one of the best interiors i've ever been in a car. i guess everyone has different tastes and views of it but whatever lol.

And you are CLEARLY being objective! tongue.gif Unfortunately pretty much all of the newer Toyotas are like that.

Anyway, as far as new engines to swap... NONE. Toyota doesn't make money from build sporty cars anymore. They make more money building a few engines and putting them in different packages. But Honda K20s are still nice, the older toyota motors are still cool, etc. There isn't any new Toyota vehicle that I would want to swap in a more performance oriented motor anyway... although a 2ZZ Yaris sedan would be fun.


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Posts in this topic
- Dr_Tweak   The Future of Engine Swaps   Oct 30, 2008 - 9:09 PM
- - bccentaur3   YES!!!! 2zz in a YARIS... When the...   Oct 30, 2008 - 10:56 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   they still made gen4 3s's up untill 2004 or so...   Oct 30, 2008 - 11:41 PM
- - bccentaur3   WHAT??? Thats awesome. I love the new camrys.   Oct 30, 2008 - 11:45 PM
- - Fastbird   I love the TC.....How big of a bay does it have?? ...   Oct 30, 2008 - 11:51 PM
- - gt_driFFter   TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the...   Oct 31, 2008 - 12:04 AM
|- - GriffGirl   QUOTE (gt_driFFter @ Oct 30, 2008 - 10...   Oct 31, 2008 - 3:20 PM
|- - block   QUOTE (GriffGirl @ Oct 31, 2008 - 3...   Oct 31, 2008 - 4:26 PM
||- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (block @ Oct 31, 2008 - 10:26 ...   Oct 31, 2008 - 6:32 PM
|- - gt_driFFter   QUOTE (GriffGirl @ Oct 31, 2008 - 5...   Nov 5, 2008 - 2:19 AM
- - bslik   im sure someones gonna try to put a 2jz into a TC ...   Oct 31, 2008 - 12:22 AM
- - DEATH   QUOTE (Fastbird @ Oct 30, 2008 - 11...   Oct 31, 2008 - 1:17 AM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE (DEATH @ Oct 31, 2008 - 1:17 A...   Oct 31, 2008 - 11:54 AM
- - enderswift   why has toyota allowed itself to stagnate? it seem...   Oct 31, 2008 - 2:15 AM
- - blackbullet   I've heard of the TC converted to 4WD and that...   Oct 31, 2008 - 3:12 AM
- - trdproven   Doc, you are damn right about the future of Toyota...   Oct 31, 2008 - 5:13 AM
- - njccmd2002   i think the v6 swaps should be the next future gen...   Oct 31, 2008 - 5:29 AM
- - RickJamesBish   Well, one thing we can look forward to is the poss...   Oct 31, 2008 - 9:07 AM
- - Terracar   Sorry to burst the bubble, but no new toyota for u...   Oct 31, 2008 - 10:21 AM
|- - RickJamesBish   QUOTE (Terracar @ Oct 31, 2008 - 11...   Oct 31, 2008 - 10:52 AM
- - playr158   need to expand past just motor swaps.....lets do d...   Oct 31, 2008 - 10:22 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Oct 31, 2008 - 5...   Oct 31, 2008 - 11:01 AM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Oct 31, 2008 - 12...   Oct 31, 2008 - 2:30 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (Fastbird @ Oct 31, 2008 - 12...   Oct 31, 2008 - 2:15 PM
|- - Penkka   QUOTE (playr158 @ Oct 31, 2008 - 3:1...   Mar 22, 2010 - 1:48 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   3SGE Blacktop, with the 6-speed RWD Tranny? Oh hel...   Oct 31, 2008 - 2:20 PM
- - brthrurik   BRS Twin-Turbo Tundra Powered RWD xB "The ti...   Oct 31, 2008 - 2:53 PM
- - Rusty   ^ yup 3S-GE VVTi in +98 SS-II/III are single cam a...   Oct 31, 2008 - 4:25 PM
- - GriffGirl   When those Toyotas outlive all the others, you won...   Oct 31, 2008 - 5:51 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 31, 2008 - 8...   Oct 31, 2008 - 9:13 PM
- - block   couldn't you put a b-series or something in a ...   Oct 31, 2008 - 11:28 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (block @ Nov 1, 2008 - 5:28 AM...   Oct 31, 2008 - 11:31 PM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Oct 31, 2008 - 11...   Nov 1, 2008 - 3:21 AM
- - terqui   Its nothing new and its been done before but 2zz i...   Nov 1, 2008 - 9:30 AM
- - JDM_Factory   I'm starting to standardize my swap primarily ...   Nov 1, 2008 - 1:30 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (Rusty @ Oct 31, 2008 - 4:25 P...   Nov 2, 2008 - 11:54 AM
- - Rusty   QUOTE why would you head swap a blacktop Beams? be...   Nov 3, 2008 - 12:59 AM
- - whatthe   just a little offtopic, but if later on down the t...   Nov 3, 2008 - 1:28 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE (Rusty @ Nov 3, 2008 - 12:59 A...   Nov 3, 2008 - 7:05 AM
- - blu94gt   What about a TRD supercharged 2AZ out of a Scion t...   Nov 4, 2008 - 5:27 PM
- - 95celgt   i want an audi TT motor in a celica, either the AM...   Nov 5, 2008 - 12:22 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   audi pfft. 20b rotary, T51r turbo, microtech, big ...   Nov 5, 2008 - 1:44 AM
|- - 95celgt   QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Nov 5, 2008 - 12...   Nov 5, 2008 - 9:06 AM
- - Akirad1   yes rotarys are nice for the torque band but they ...   Nov 5, 2008 - 10:42 AM
- - Culpable04   how often do they rebuilt those rotaries ? I have ...   Nov 5, 2008 - 4:15 PM
|- - Akirad1   QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Nov 5, 2008 - 3...   Nov 5, 2008 - 4:23 PM
- - playr158   Rotary engines in RX7s get replaced A LOT....they ...   Nov 6, 2008 - 7:43 AM
- - punkuup5150   what about the motor our of the new toyota Aurion ...   Nov 6, 2008 - 11:54 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (whatthe @ Nov 3, 2008 - 6:28 ...   Nov 6, 2008 - 7:57 PM
|- - BloodyStupidDavey   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Nov 7, 2008 - 12:5...   Nov 7, 2008 - 1:09 AM
- - macavely   Forgive me if this point has been touched. Im just...   Nov 6, 2008 - 8:08 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   That would be a very smart swap for someone with a...   Nov 6, 2008 - 9:54 PM
- - Rusty   I know that Toyota is not making any performance e...   Nov 7, 2008 - 12:19 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   Possibility yeah. I'd have to spend some time ...   Nov 7, 2008 - 8:55 AM
- - RUNNIN-LOW   hey tweak you think? check ebay out that rear end?...   Nov 7, 2008 - 8:57 AM
- - Projek_01   no doc, the 323hp is the supercharged version. the...   May 31, 2009 - 11:32 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   yep tweak that looks like the engine in the trd hi...   Jun 1, 2009 - 1:39 AM
- - Rusty   if they can drop a toyota V8 & RWD in a ST162,...   Jun 1, 2009 - 2:27 AM
- - Hanyo   dont they have a toyota camry supercharger? cant y...   Jun 2, 2009 - 1:16 AM
|- - blu94gt   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Jun 2, 2009 - 1:16 AM...   Jun 2, 2009 - 5:11 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   ya there is a mr2 here in socal witha v6 superchar...   Jun 3, 2009 - 12:47 AM
- - soulshadow   I think Toyota really cares less about performance...   Jun 3, 2009 - 12:50 AM
|- - blu94gt   QUOTE (soulshadow @ Jun 3, 2009 - 12...   Jun 3, 2009 - 12:45 PM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (blu94gt @ Jun 3, 2009 - 1:45 ...   Jun 3, 2009 - 12:56 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   GM? (snickers)   Jun 3, 2009 - 12:36 PM
- - crankyelbow   The v6 swaps are def the way to go... we'd see...   Jun 3, 2009 - 1:16 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Jun 3, 2009 - 1:56...   Jun 3, 2009 - 1:29 PM
- - njccmd2002   i thinks v6 would prolly be the best option on the...   Jun 3, 2009 - 1:53 PM
- - 97celiman   off topic but on the hyundai genesis isnt the v6 v...   Jun 3, 2009 - 2:13 PM
- - Fastbird   How about a LS2/T-56 and rear wheel drive swap int...   Jun 3, 2009 - 2:15 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (97celiman @ Jun 3, 2009 - 3:1...   Jun 3, 2009 - 2:35 PM
- - TRD_Ian   there are enough mods and swaps you can do to a 6t...   Jun 3, 2009 - 2:39 PM
- - CPleasure   I think that because of the fuel economy situation...   Jun 4, 2009 - 9:28 AM


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