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> 3sgte clutch kit on a 5sfte????, yes, also detailed info for swappers with the s54 tranny
post Jan 31, 2009 - 8:21 AM
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hey guys, as most of you know, i've been running a ACT stage 1 5sfe clutch since i swapped in arts motor back in the day, it has performed great for me over the past few years, with no issues, however, its starting to get some miles on it, and since i have been over the torque rating pretty much since the day i turboed, i cant expect it to last forever.
the problem begins with the fact that even the higher rated ACT clutches (and most 5s clutches for that matter) is that theyre only rated for 350ftlbs at the flywheel, and with 275ftlbs at the wheels, im pretty close to being over even THAT rating.


so after a bit of research, i came up with this info.

the 3sgte friction surface area is 236mm, the 5s is 225mm.
the stock 185 flywheel will not bolt to a 5sfe crank, without elongating the bolt holes a fraction of an inch. guys who build strokers with the 5s crank run into this problem.

the solution can be had in a few ways, either elongate the bolt holes on the 185 flywheel, or use a st-165 flywheel, which will bolt to the 5s crank, however the friction surface is 225mm, like the 5s, which i am trying to get away from.
the fidanza light weight flyhweel for the 3sgte has elongated bolt holes from the factory, specificly for the stroker guys, who use the 5s crank.

SO, what i am going to do, is use the fidanza 3s LW flywheel, 3sgte pressure plate and disk, and the disk will have the s54 spline count.

ACT makes a disk for just this application, and has a part # available for it.

here is a list of the parts that are needed, this list will work for 5sfte guys that are looking for 300+ftlbs at the wheels, as well as 3sgte swap guys that want to use the S54 (stock GT) transmission.

it is a 6 puck, sprung hub disk, with theyre heavy duty pressure plate, rated at 499 ftlbs. at the flywheel. (theyre street disk is rated for 350ftlbs, they dont do that with the 5s spline)

for the 5sfte and 5s based stroker guys, you need a st-165 flywheel, or fidanza lightweight flywheel for the 3sgte (swap guys, the flywheel is an option)

ACT pressure plate PT # TO23
ACT 6 puck sprung disk PT# 6236216
i always recommend a OEM throwout bearing, but the ACT PT# is
ACT throw out bearing PT# RB442
ACT alignment tool PT# AT17

ill post pics of the flywheel when it comes in, it should be here monday, for now, here are a couple of pics of the clutch setup (this is jims clutch, but it is the same disk and pressure plate, just diffrent spline count.)



ignore the spec disk, ill edit in an actual pic of my disk when it gets here.



woot for 500ftlbs worth of clutch! smile.gif


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post Feb 1, 2009 - 11:27 AM
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yeah i could have told you this, i have the ST165 flywheel in my stroke 3S-GTE in my All-Trac. i had Southbend clutch build me a clutch just for it. i sent them the flywheel and they made me a 6 puck kit to match.



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post Feb 1, 2009 - 2:14 PM
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 1, 2009 - 11:27 AM) *
yeah i could have told you this, i have the ST165 flywheel in my stroke 3S-GTE in my All-Trac. i had Southbend clutch build me a clutch just for it. i sent them the flywheel and they made me a 6 puck kit to match.


not posting it because i didnt know, i just posted up the info so that its here for everyone else wink.gif
thanks for the contributions tho, if you have part #s and stuff that would be great, maybe we could get a sticky with all the diffrent setups available in one thread. smile.gif


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- presure2   3sgte clutch kit on a 5sfte????   Jan 31, 2009 - 8:21 AM
- - lagos   I think you would be just fine with a normal 5sfe...   Jan 31, 2009 - 11:04 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (lagos @ Jan 31, 2009 - 11:04 ...   Jan 31, 2009 - 11:39 AM
- - lagos   I dig.   Jan 31, 2009 - 12:15 PM
- - Smaay   yeah i could have told you this, i have the ST165 ...   Feb 1, 2009 - 11:27 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 1, 2009 - 11:27 A...   Feb 1, 2009 - 2:14 PM
|- - trdproven   QUOTE (presure2 @ Feb 1, 2009 - 2:14...   Feb 2, 2009 - 10:27 AM
- - trdproven   I have an st185 3sgte lightweight flywheel in mine...   Feb 1, 2009 - 11:34 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 1, 2009 - 11...   Feb 2, 2009 - 1:58 PM
- - Smaay   good idea, ill hit up southbend and get part #s   Feb 1, 2009 - 5:21 PM
- - presure2   WOOT flywheel came in just now! got a great de...   Feb 2, 2009 - 12:30 PM
- - Smaay   actually newcelica.org for the 7th gen is very inf...   Feb 2, 2009 - 5:30 PM
- - Red_T_swiftcam   So other than Gear Ratios, why would you switch to...   Feb 17, 2009 - 11:12 AM
- - presure2   i dont know that the s54 can handle 500ftlbs...i c...   Feb 17, 2009 - 11:21 AM
- - presure2   so the competition clutch stage 4 hybrid clutch ki...   Feb 21, 2009 - 10:37 AM
|- - Dragondog   QUOTE (presure2 @ Feb 21, 2009 - 4:3...   Mar 10, 2009 - 5:10 AM
- - Smaay   sexy, keep the pics coming   Feb 22, 2009 - 1:16 PM
- - presure2   i got it from drtweak here on the board. http://ww...   Mar 10, 2009 - 7:35 AM
- - trdproven   Manny - I have a LW flywheel from an st185 and use...   Mar 10, 2009 - 7:45 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (trdproven @ Mar 10, 2009 - 7...   Mar 10, 2009 - 7:51 AM
- - presure2   hey guys, back for an update on the competition cl...   Jul 24, 2009 - 7:18 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (presure2 @ Jul 24, 2009 - 8:1...   Jul 30, 2009 - 9:43 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Jul 30, 2009 - 9:4...   Jul 31, 2009 - 5:26 AM
- - trdproven   Would it be a big problem though? I'm sure mi...   Jul 24, 2009 - 10:52 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (trdproven @ Jul 24, 2009 - 10...   Jul 25, 2009 - 5:57 AM
- - trdproven   That sucks, i'll find out when I change my clu...   Jul 25, 2009 - 9:24 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (trdproven @ Jul 25, 2009 - 9...   Jul 25, 2009 - 9:33 AM
- - jjbenzo   So if I have a 98 GT, swap in a 3rd gen. 3SGTE eng...   Jul 27, 2009 - 5:33 PM
- - trdproven   use the 3sgte clutch set up and the 5s spline on t...   Jul 27, 2009 - 5:39 PM
- - lagos   interesting that the act clutch uses 4 big springs...   Jul 31, 2009 - 2:16 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   Hey, I just came to check on this thread and it lo...   Aug 5, 2009 - 10:29 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Aug 5, 2009 - 10:2...   Aug 5, 2009 - 4:23 PM
- - Cuttyman9   I smoked the s53 in my car, so in the last week I ...   Apr 20, 2013 - 11:00 AM
- - Smaay   im confused, does the S53 and S54 have different s...   Apr 29, 2013 - 3:33 PM
- - celica95-95   on a quick note i order the same CC clutch from tw...   Apr 29, 2013 - 10:50 PM


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