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post Feb 17, 2009 - 1:35 AM
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So I was planning on doing another 5sfte set-up, but thought why not just go about doing a 5sgte set-up.

I don't plan on running an EMS anytime soon. Although down the road its obvious that I will have to.

The plan is to buy a complete 3rd gen 3sge motor. Thats right a 3sge motor. The plan is to just take the head and all the electronics and TRY to sell the block. I already have turbo parts, minus the turbo. I will run with the 3sge ecu, but with the emanage ultimate.

Injectors since the 3sge is side feed, I will probably go with 540s. Not sure what injectors the 3rd gen 3sge uses.

I have been in contact with MCS and I will be probably be getting a crank that has already been turned down to accept the stock 3sgte rods I am using. The cost of their crank is 300, but I am in the process of shopping around to see if its cheaper to machine down the crank I have out of the 94 block. The plus side to MCS is the fact that they use 98+ cranks only.

I will have the wiring harness converted for me by Doc.

I did originally plan to build the bottom end with the following parts and get the 5sfe cams regrind from Geoff at Colt Cams for $400, oversized valves from a 2jz and do the head up. To be honest the machining is the thing that makes both plans pricey.

I DO want to build a 5sfTe beast, but at the same time Just think of having a 5sgte.

What do you guys think I should do. I'm going to be honest, I have been researching day and night for the past week. Not going to bed until 4AM and the first thing I do when I wake up is log onto the internet.

Lets make this final and end my dilemma.

-Will

This post has been edited by bccentaur3: Feb 19, 2009 - 11:14 PM


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98 Celica gt red- totaled deer
94 Celica st black DD (bad weather beater)- totaled deer
95 Celica gt silver- chassis sold
88 Celica All-Trac (Burned to a crisp)
94 Celica gt white (sold)

In need of a rust free chassis!!!!
 
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post Mar 7, 2009 - 6:19 PM
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SO me and a few MN 6gc members met up at our buddies house.

I brought my 3rd gen head gasket along with me to see how much drilling I'll actually have to do.

This is how much I have to drill. Keep in mind I couldn't drill last night because there were too many drunk people around. Besides I didn't have the carbide burr with me. So I opted to drill out the oil pan bolts I broke into the bottom of the block from before. Used a left hand drill bit and it worked wonders. And we also tore into a built 7mgte motor that seized up.

The passages circled are the ones that need to be drilled to match.

This is from left to right.







And for sh!ts and giggles 3sgte rods compared to 5s rods.




I should have the coolant passages done soon. Just running short on money, so I won't have the block sent out to the machine shop till later. Maybe after spring break. I'm still waiting on my crank from MCS, but they emailed me and told me that its being balanced right now.

This post has been edited by bccentaur3: Mar 7, 2009 - 6:20 PM


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98 Celica gt red- totaled deer
94 Celica st black DD (bad weather beater)- totaled deer
95 Celica gt silver- chassis sold
88 Celica All-Trac (Burned to a crisp)
94 Celica gt white (sold)

In need of a rust free chassis!!!!

Posts in this topic
- bccentaur3   Will's Project 5SGTE   Feb 17, 2009 - 1:35 AM
- - b1gr3d   QUOTE (bccentaur3 @ Feb 17, 2009 - 12...   Feb 17, 2009 - 3:15 PM
- - bccentaur3   Have been talking to Eazy lately on mr2oc. On Garr...   Feb 17, 2009 - 4:46 PM
- - b1gr3d   from what i understand the bore and deck height on...   Feb 18, 2009 - 1:14 AM
- - bccentaur3   I understand the difference between the 5sgte, 5sg...   Feb 18, 2009 - 3:07 AM
- - b1gr3d   you my friend are doing a 2.2 stroker then good ...   Feb 18, 2009 - 11:14 AM
- - bccentaur3   Its not a stroker if I use the 5s block with the 3...   Feb 18, 2009 - 12:37 PM
- - RUNNIN-LOW   go for it ill help u put the motor together..   Feb 18, 2009 - 1:13 PM
- - bccentaur3   My mistake 3sge 3rd gen is top feed.   Feb 18, 2009 - 3:03 PM
- - bccentaur3   So I went ahead and ordered a 3rd gen 3sgte head g...   Feb 18, 2009 - 8:06 PM
- - bccentaur3   Should get the machined down crank in a couple of ...   Feb 19, 2009 - 11:21 PM
- - scothaniel   FYI - you can use Mitsubishi / DSM top feed inject...   Feb 19, 2009 - 11:49 PM
- - bccentaur3   Ahh... I spent lots of time researching that. Sinc...   Feb 20, 2009 - 12:00 AM
- - scothaniel   I recall having problems with the 2nd gen timing b...   Feb 20, 2009 - 12:23 AM
- - bccentaur3   Can't I use the gen 2 tensioner and idler pull...   Feb 20, 2009 - 12:39 AM
- - bccentaur3   IIRC the tensioner pulley on the 3rd gen is the sa...   Feb 20, 2009 - 12:45 AM
- - Terracar   Well sounds like some have already corrected you o...   Feb 20, 2009 - 9:46 AM
- - Muggs   Terracar makes a good point, I think I mentioned t...   Feb 20, 2009 - 11:03 AM
- - bccentaur3   Well, Terracar theres many people out there that r...   Feb 20, 2009 - 12:12 PM
- - bccentaur3   Went to the machine shop today to see how much the...   Feb 20, 2009 - 4:42 PM
- - Insan3   i got a quick question on the 5sgte, i know people...   Feb 20, 2009 - 4:44 PM
|- - bccentaur3   QUOTE (Insan3 @ Feb 20, 2009 - 3:44 ...   Feb 20, 2009 - 6:01 PM
- - scothaniel   You may want to wait for the HKS gasket. I remembe...   Feb 20, 2009 - 4:48 PM
- - Insan3   okay thanks dude   Feb 20, 2009 - 6:04 PM
- - bccentaur3   Following parts came in. Still waiting on the...   Feb 24, 2009 - 5:17 PM
- - scothaniel   I wasn't able to get it shipped out over the w...   Feb 24, 2009 - 5:32 PM
- - bccentaur3   Don't forget to give me your paypal so I can s...   Feb 24, 2009 - 5:34 PM
- - bccentaur3   I got the 3rd gen turbo manifold in today.   Feb 25, 2009 - 3:27 PM
- - bccentaur3   And my girl just brought the rods in. My parts go ...   Feb 25, 2009 - 3:48 PM
- - presure2   yup, lube em up will, no problemo.   Feb 25, 2009 - 3:55 PM
- - bccentaur3   Okay will do boss.   Feb 25, 2009 - 4:15 PM
- - bccentaur3   look what came in today. just waiting on head ...   Feb 27, 2009 - 8:44 PM
- - bccentaur3   And the block I am working with..   Mar 1, 2009 - 1:22 AM
- - Dragondog   i am gettin a beams and plan to turbo it im told n...   Mar 1, 2009 - 1:30 AM
- - jeffrosie   You can have the compression lowered by having the...   Mar 1, 2009 - 5:38 AM
- - Smaay   you bought the 3S rods from that guy on MR2oc. i w...   Mar 1, 2009 - 11:35 AM
- - bccentaur3   I got it from Sang. Did he really post it on MR2OC...   Mar 1, 2009 - 12:41 PM
- - Dragondog   hey bcc im doing a swap myself but im getting alot...   Mar 1, 2009 - 3:00 PM
- - bccentaur3   I really don't know much about the beams. I...   Mar 1, 2009 - 3:33 PM
- - Dragondog   ok well i have a t36 turbo and i suppose its too m...   Mar 1, 2009 - 4:39 PM
- - bccentaur3   I honestly have never heard of a t36 turbo. I can...   Mar 1, 2009 - 6:24 PM
- - Dragondog   ok well money im not worried nither time, diff yes...   Mar 2, 2009 - 4:16 AM
- - bccentaur3   If you got a bunch of money and time, I say swap i...   Mar 2, 2009 - 12:10 PM
- - bccentaur3   Thanks to Scott I got his used 3rd gen head gasket...   Mar 2, 2009 - 5:22 PM
- - bccentaur3   Look what I picked up for $50. I'll hav...   Mar 4, 2009 - 10:54 PM
- - bccentaur3   SO me and a few MN 6gc members met up at our buddi...   Mar 7, 2009 - 6:19 PM
- - Smaay   i love these comparison pics. here are the differe...   Mar 8, 2009 - 12:56 AM
- - bccentaur3   You have got to be joking me.. The 1zz rods are th...   Mar 8, 2009 - 1:07 AM
- - Red_T_swiftcam   This is gonna be really nice when it's all sai...   Mar 8, 2009 - 9:07 AM
- - bccentaur3   Shot peened rods for 75? 75 a piece right? Not the...   Mar 8, 2009 - 12:35 PM
- - Red_T_swiftcam   75$ for the set. Nick from mcs got them for m...   Mar 8, 2009 - 1:34 PM
- - Red_T_swiftcam   75$ for the set. Nick from mcs got them for m...   Mar 8, 2009 - 1:37 PM
- - Dragondog   where can i get some good pistons and rods and rin...   Mar 8, 2009 - 9:22 PM
- - bccentaur3   Shop around. I believe the 3sgte guys like the wis...   Mar 8, 2009 - 9:58 PM
- - bccentaur3   so thanks to 1bwilson, he told me to update this t...   Apr 22, 2009 - 9:01 PM
- - Red_T_swiftcam   Will i feel your pain. MCS is telling me the same ...   Apr 25, 2009 - 12:51 PM
- - bccentaur3   Hey guys, update on the project. A couple of week...   May 10, 2009 - 6:19 PM
- - bccentaur3   Thanks to the help of fellow MN 6th geners Zgear (...   May 10, 2009 - 6:47 PM
- - presure2   good stuff will!   May 11, 2009 - 7:16 AM
- - bccentaur3   Thanks Manny.   May 11, 2009 - 7:23 AM
- - b1gr3d   about those supra valves? are they the stock 2jz s...   May 11, 2009 - 9:06 AM
- - bccentaur3   I don't think I can run 2jz valves on the 1st ...   May 11, 2009 - 9:36 AM
- - crankyelbow   so the 1st gen 3sgte head may be the most easy hea...   May 11, 2009 - 8:02 PM
- - bccentaur3   hahaha you just said CHEAP. Nothing about this bui...   May 11, 2009 - 8:21 PM
|- - crankyelbow   QUOTE (bccentaur3 @ May 11, 2009 - 9...   May 11, 2009 - 8:26 PM
- - bccentaur3   Crank= 338 Pistons= 500 Rods= 50 Head with all sen...   May 11, 2009 - 8:45 PM
|- - crankyelbow   QUOTE (bccentaur3 @ May 11, 2009 - 8...   May 16, 2009 - 12:54 PM
- - bccentaur3   Pics from the work done today. 3sgte block Loo...   May 11, 2009 - 9:52 PM
- - bccentaur3   Got a little more work done. I got one cylinder do...   May 12, 2009 - 9:37 PM
- - bccentaur3   So after hours of dremeling and thanks to my dad f...   May 16, 2009 - 12:40 PM
- - bccentaur3   My crank came in a couple of days ago. And here sh...   May 22, 2009 - 12:25 PM
- - RUNNIN-LOW   nice!!! i gotta come check this out...   May 22, 2009 - 12:55 PM
- - supershannon77   looking real good! Cant wait for more update...   May 22, 2009 - 5:28 PM
- - Muggs   Give us an update, Will! Is this thing going t...   Jun 10, 2009 - 9:45 PM
- - Punch   glad to see this project being done i got alot of...   Aug 10, 2009 - 7:08 PM
- - Nartanian   Wow, where have I been. I gotta see this in person...   Aug 10, 2009 - 9:26 PM
- - bccentaur3   Update: picked up a 1st gen 3sge intake manifold ...   Aug 28, 2009 - 9:20 PM
- - Red_T_swiftcam   Nice!! Did you end up going to The shop i...   Aug 28, 2009 - 10:16 PM
- - bccentaur3   yeah wayyy cheaper. He even remembered your name.   Aug 28, 2009 - 10:53 PM
- - subspec   good stuff.   Aug 31, 2009 - 4:22 AM
- - playr158   WIll the work looks good, keep it up   Aug 31, 2009 - 6:36 AM
- - Punch   good job i got lots of parts pm me if u need somt...   Sep 4, 2009 - 1:36 PM
- - bccentaur3   Specs of the rev 1 3sge cams IN Open/Close 5/55 ...   Sep 6, 2009 - 10:06 PM
- - Nartanian   Looking really good bro.   Sep 6, 2009 - 10:11 PM
- - bccentaur3   FINALLY got my block sent to the machinist, becaus...   Sep 18, 2009 - 10:24 PM
- - ZGear   After all that abuse on your bike over the years.....   Sep 20, 2009 - 12:40 AM
- - bccentaur3   Got my bearings in. got them from raceeng.com. A...   Sep 22, 2009 - 6:09 PM
- - boosted185   QUOTE (bccentaur3 @ Sep 22, 2009 - 6...   Sep 22, 2009 - 7:12 PM
- - bccentaur3   Thanks, I'll look into that.   Sep 22, 2009 - 7:15 PM
- - bccentaur3   Well, it has just been a waiting game. I plastigau...   Nov 29, 2009 - 2:24 PM
- - Mstoochn   until i got my rpm down to about 700 i found i did...   Nov 29, 2009 - 2:55 PM
- - bccentaur3   I swapped back to the st165 gte cams. I was using ...   Nov 29, 2009 - 4:57 PM
- - bccentaur3   pic of engine bay. Excuse the dirtyness. Just want...   Nov 29, 2009 - 6:03 PM
|- - speed-CCNP   Looks Great!!   Dec 1, 2009 - 6:12 PM
- - Red_T_swiftcam   Looking good Will. I want to see it in person!   Nov 29, 2009 - 8:57 PM
- - 99GT   Blizzard Tuning.   Dec 1, 2009 - 2:46 PM
- - whatthe   Any updates on this build, its pretty dam impressi...   Apr 17, 2010 - 11:32 AM
- - bccentaur3   No real update. I have a little over 2500 miles on...   Apr 18, 2010 - 9:29 AM
- - mickwheelz   honda ecu conversion??   Apr 27, 2010 - 6:52 PM
- - bccentaur3   yes sir. List of parts obdI honda ecu prefera...   Apr 28, 2010 - 11:32 AM


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