3SGE Beams VS 4AGE Blacktop 6SPD Options

[JoKeRkId613]

I will be getting a redtop Beams 3SGE in my Celica around mid-May. But I'm curious as to which engine really is better. I mean, if the ST205 was the exact same engine except no turbo, how much HP would it put out approximately, compared to the already NA Beams. I think Beams puts out 200HP(please correct me, if wrong...)? Thanks. I guess maybe what I'm trying to figrue out is if you stuck some low-comp pistons in the Beams and some other minor mods and the same CT26 or CT20 turbo, would it have more horses and be more powerful than the factory ST205?

Also, I'm real stuck between the Beams and 4AGE blacktop 6 speed. What would you guys choose? and why? Price isn't an issue and both engines will be left stock, maybe minor mods(Intake, Headers, Exhaust)...

Some advantages I see with the blacktop is that since my car is a coupe, I already have a tiny bit of weight advantage over a hatchback and the blacktop being a 1.6L will keep me at lower weight and it has 6speeds.

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

what about 2zz-ge, top motor, vvtl-i...lift is awsome.
dont count it out, 180 hp, 1.8 litre, lighter then both 4a and 3s.

[Ryouxrs]

what about 2zz-ge, top motor, vvtl-i...lift is awsome.
dont count it out, 180 hp, 1.8 litre, lighter then both 4a and 3s.

X2!!!! i miss my 2zz, that motor kicked ass, almost 300 hp. to the wheels with just a turbo kit with 8psi and water injection, u could hit lift and 8350 rpm all day long, and not hurt it. but just to add anouther question... can a black tops 6spd be put into a 7a celica? are the bellhousings close enough? or is this just anouther wet dream? lmao

[DEATH]

but just to add anouther question... can a black tops 6spd be put into a 7a celica? are the bellhousings close enough? or is this just anouther wet dream? lmao

Black top what? BEAMS or 4A-GE? There is a blacktop version of both.
The BEAMS can be done but it would be a lot of work and the IM would have to be custom or perhaps [but IDK] the redtop IM would work.
The BT 4A-GE can easily be swapped into an ST along with the Levin FWD 6Speed tranny