3SGE Beams VS 4AGE Blacktop 6SPD Options

[JoKeRkId613]

I will be getting a redtop Beams 3SGE in my Celica around mid-May. But I'm curious as to which engine really is better. I mean, if the ST205 was the exact same engine except no turbo, how much HP would it put out approximately, compared to the already NA Beams. I think Beams puts out 200HP(please correct me, if wrong...)? Thanks. I guess maybe what I'm trying to figrue out is if you stuck some low-comp pistons in the Beams and some other minor mods and the same CT26 or CT20 turbo, would it have more horses and be more powerful than the factory ST205?

Also, I'm real stuck between the Beams and 4AGE blacktop 6 speed. What would you guys choose? and why? Price isn't an issue and both engines will be left stock, maybe minor mods(Intake, Headers, Exhaust)...

Some advantages I see with the blacktop is that since my car is a coupe, I already have a tiny bit of weight advantage over a hatchback and the blacktop being a 1.6L will keep me at lower weight and it has 6speeds.

[BonzaiCelica]

So some of you guys were saying that 4age blacktop with 6spd is not possible in a celica? but looking on wikipedia i found this
list of C transmissions : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_C_transmission
and modified toyota levin specs on engine and gear ratios: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/804063


i also saw that Carina GT came with exact transmission as corolla levin came with. 5spd C52 and 6spd C160.
so does that mean it is feasible. i was also looking on ebay and i searched 4age blacktop. some had 6spd and others 5spd.

i know the corolla trueno has 6spd blacktops in them. but isn't that same transmission used in the levin and carina gt??

btw what fuel octane does blacktop and redtop use. i believe its a minimum of 93 octane for both. could be wrong i think i saw blacktop saying it required 100 octane

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Apr 9, 2009 - 12:50 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

So some of you guys were saying that 4age blacktop with 6spd is not possible in a celica? but looking on wikipedia i found this
list of C transmissions : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_C_transmission
and modified toyota levin specs on engine and gear ratios: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/804063


i also saw that Carina GT came with exact transmission as corolla levin came with. 5spd C52 and 6spd C160.
so does that mean it is feasible. i was also looking on ebay and i searched 4age blacktop. some had 6spd and others 5spd.

i know the corolla trueno has 6spd blacktops in them. but isn't that same transmission used in the levin and carina gt??

btw what fuel octane does blacktop and redtop use. i believe its a minimum of 93 octane for both. could be wrong i think i saw blacktop saying it required 100 octane

The 4AGE Blacktop is available with a 6-speed FRONT WHEEL DRIVE transmission. Yes, you can swap this into the 6th gen since it is FWD.

The 3SGE BEAMS Blacktop comes with a 6-speed REAR WHEEL DRIVE transmission. You cannot swap this into a 6th gen (generally speaking).

I think that's where the confusion is coming from, there are two "Blacktop" engines. Hope that helps

-Doc

[Ryouxrs]

So some of you guys were saying that 4age blacktop with 6spd is not possible in a celica? but looking on wikipedia i found this
list of C transmissions : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_C_transmission
and modified toyota levin specs on engine and gear ratios: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/804063


i also saw that Carina GT came with exact transmission as corolla levin came with. 5spd C52 and 6spd C160.
so does that mean it is feasible. i was also looking on ebay and i searched 4age blacktop. some had 6spd and others 5spd.

i know the corolla trueno has 6spd blacktops in them. but isn't that same transmission used in the levin and carina gt??

btw what fuel octane does blacktop and redtop use. i believe its a minimum of 93 octane for both. could be wrong i think i saw blacktop saying it required 100 octane

The 4AGE Blacktop is available with a 6-speed FRONT WHEEL DRIVE transmission. Yes, you can swap this into the 6th gen since it is FWD.

The 3SGE BEAMS Blacktop comes with a 6-speed REAR WHEEL DRIVE transmission. You cannot swap this into a 6th gen (generally speaking).

I think that's where the confusion is coming from, there are two "Blacktop" engines. Hope that helps

-Doc

thanks guys, now the issue is findind a 4a 6speed tranny and figuring out how the heck to bolt it up to my 7a. lmao