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3SGE Beams or 4AGE Blacktop 6SPD?
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post Mar 1, 2006 - 9:00 PM
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JoKeRkId613

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I will be getting a redtop Beams 3SGE in my Celica around mid-May. But I'm curious as to which engine really is better. I mean, if the ST205 was the exact same engine except no turbo, how much HP would it put out approximately, compared to the already NA Beams. I think Beams puts out 200HP(please correct me, if wrong...)? Thanks. I guess maybe what I'm trying to figrue out is if you stuck some low-comp pistons in the Beams and some other minor mods and the same CT26 or CT20 turbo, would it have more horses and be more powerful than the factory ST205?

Also, I'm real stuck between the Beams and 4AGE blacktop 6 speed. What would you guys choose? and why? Price isn't an issue and both engines will be left stock, maybe minor mods(Intake, Headers, Exhaust)...

Some advantages I see with the blacktop is that since my car is a coupe, I already have a tiny bit of weight advantage over a hatchback and the blacktop being a 1.6L will keep me at lower weight and it has 6speeds.


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post Apr 11, 2009 - 5:04 PM
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alright thx for the reply tweak. But being that it is 6 spd. i already know for a 5spd 4age i would just need to send wiring harness to you, get custom a/c and p/s. but since a 6spd would be going into the st celica. what else is needed. shifter cables. is 6spd tranny same size as 5spd tranny?? im thinking about going this way since it would be cheaper than going with a 3sge motor. and plus it wud be a 6spd celi biggrin.gif


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- JoKeRkId613   3SGE Beams VS 4AGE Blacktop 6SPD   Mar 1, 2006 - 9:00 PM
- - OrbitalGT95   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Mar 2, 2006 - 2...   Mar 1, 2006 - 9:06 PM
- - Kwanza26   There is NO competion between the two motors. C...   Mar 1, 2006 - 9:12 PM
- - j0e_p3t   i'd go with the beams. its newer and faster (r...   Mar 1, 2006 - 9:13 PM
- - ummmx2   i thought you were gonna turbo? what happened?   Mar 2, 2006 - 2:55 AM
- - CelicaZR   I would've to say beams. They look beautiful i...   Mar 2, 2006 - 5:56 AM
- - NaKeD   i would say 3sge beams thats my dream engine, NA e...   Mar 2, 2006 - 8:21 AM
- - maikl   my brother has a corolla 1998 with the black top 6...   Mar 2, 2006 - 11:39 AM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   i say beams cuz they look prettier and cuz its...   Mar 2, 2006 - 10:21 PM
- - 95celgt   i love beams, but i'd go black top, its like 1...   Mar 4, 2006 - 1:17 AM
- - Alchemist_57   why isn't the 4age and other motors covered in...   Mar 4, 2006 - 1:22 AM
- - Hanyo   i was sleepy when i read this. I thought your comp...   Mar 4, 2006 - 2:24 AM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   4AGE is just as good a motor though. You can...   Mar 4, 2006 - 4:30 AM
- - Punch   for the money the 3sge cost you can get a 3sgte fr...   Mar 4, 2006 - 11:45 AM
- - Jdog1385   you should really say in the pole if they're f...   Mar 4, 2006 - 2:57 PM
|- - JoKeRkId613   QUOTE(Jdog1385 @ Mar 4, 2006 - 12:57...   Mar 4, 2006 - 3:11 PM
|- - Jdog1385   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Mar 4, 2006 - 3...   Mar 4, 2006 - 6:39 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   QUOTE(OrbitalGT95 @ Mar 1, 2006 - 7...   Mar 4, 2006 - 3:16 PM
- - brianforster   your not gonna wanna turbo the beams..   Mar 4, 2006 - 3:23 PM
- - JoKeRkId613   i didnt think i had to get so specific. of course,...   Mar 4, 2006 - 3:36 PM
|- - BLACKcelicaGT   QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Mar 4, 2006 - 3...   Mar 13, 2006 - 2:25 AM
- - soulshadow   A beam tottaly owns the 4age in the 1/4 mile. C...   Mar 10, 2006 - 5:57 AM
- - delusionz   I know I'm digging up an old thread here, but ...   Oct 31, 2008 - 10:00 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (delusionz @ Oct 31, 2008 - 3...   Oct 31, 2008 - 1:38 PM
- - parriehunter   There is a BEAMS motor that they call the "si...   Oct 31, 2008 - 5:44 PM
- - delusionz   Sorry Kwanza but step back a minute, I'm refer...   Oct 31, 2008 - 6:04 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (delusionz @ Nov 1, 2008 - 12...   Oct 31, 2008 - 6:23 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Nov 1, 2008 - 12:2...   Oct 31, 2008 - 6:50 PM
- - Rusty   just throwing in my 2cents QUOTE The "Grey To...   Oct 31, 2008 - 11:17 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   what about 2zz-ge, top motor, vvtl-i...lift is aws...   Nov 1, 2008 - 12:42 AM
|- - Ryouxrs   QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Nov 1, 2008 - 1...   Apr 10, 2009 - 9:37 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (Ryouxrs @ Apr 10, 2009 - 9:37...   Apr 11, 2009 - 9:53 AM
- - Rusty   oh yea I love the lift on that,imagine increasing...   Nov 1, 2008 - 2:35 AM
- - delusionz   Just had crazy ideas about higher peak torque leve...   Nov 1, 2008 - 1:22 PM
- - WH95TE   Jason, where are you? lol   Nov 2, 2008 - 6:30 PM
|- - JoKeRkId613   QUOTE (WH95TE @ Nov 2, 2008 - 7:30 P...   Nov 3, 2008 - 4:22 PM
- - Shigexile   i would choose the 3sge because my car is a gt and...   Nov 20, 2008 - 1:48 PM
- - soulshadow   If money was not an issue, I'd find a way to m...   Nov 24, 2008 - 1:11 AM
- - mr220v   Ok, since I own both motors, I have to say the bea...   Feb 4, 2009 - 4:04 PM
- - Junior   I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but a beams m...   Feb 4, 2009 - 8:55 PM
- - silver6gc   QUOTE Junior Posted Today, 08:55 PM I hate to b...   Feb 4, 2009 - 11:58 PM
|- - Junior   QUOTE (silver6gc @ Feb 4, 2009 - 9:5...   Feb 6, 2009 - 7:30 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (Junior @ Feb 7, 2009 - 1:30 P...   Feb 6, 2009 - 10:07 PM
- - Rusty   just want to add my 2c's in here MIVEC (Mitsu...   Feb 6, 2009 - 10:25 PM
- - Ronan   Ive had both the 20v blacktop in my Levin and the ...   Feb 7, 2009 - 6:41 AM
- - Rusty   QUOTE The Beams is a better base for building powe...   Feb 8, 2009 - 12:12 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   So some of you guys were saying that 4age blacktop...   Apr 9, 2009 - 12:36 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Apr 9, 2009 - 1...   Apr 11, 2009 - 10:27 AM
|- - Ryouxrs   QUOTE (Dr_Tweak @ Apr 11, 2009 - 10...   Apr 11, 2009 - 10:49 AM
- - Rusty   I've heard that Japan does have very high octa...   Apr 9, 2009 - 1:53 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm ok wow thats pretty high. in california the hi...   Apr 9, 2009 - 2:26 AM
- - azian_advanced   you don't need 100 octane or whatever japan of...   Apr 9, 2009 - 7:48 AM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Apr 9, 2009 - 7...   Apr 9, 2009 - 9:34 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm i believe i understand how it works. looked it...   Apr 9, 2009 - 3:00 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Apr 9, 2009 - 3...   Apr 10, 2009 - 10:31 PM
- - Rusty   and to add to my previous comment all our fuel is ...   Apr 9, 2009 - 4:34 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   alright thx for the reply tweak. But being that it...   Apr 11, 2009 - 5:04 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   wow another video of toyota failing with the 2zz-g...   Sep 27, 2010 - 9:50 PM


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