2 Stage 3SGTE Swap thread, Stage 1.. almost done =) Options

[SlvrCelica09]

EDIT: 8/22/09
Ok guys before commenting just know my goal is 330 hp until all 2 stages is complete.. so keep that in mind when reading my setup:

95 toyota celica GT
ST205 3sgte swap
GT tranny and axles
Stage 3 clutch kit and flywheel(deciding between 2 I like)
EDIT: ST205 fuel pump
3 inch exhaust(already installed)
ST205 downpipe

Now in order to move on to stage 3 I need to figure out which engine I want.. parts for the 185(non RC) I have found to be relatively easy in case something breaks.. alot of sites have parts for the engine.. but it turns out the 185 wiring is harder than the 205.. im leaning towards the 205.. although i think finding parts for the engine is harder.. the swap should be a bit easier and at stock I would be right at my goal which is 250 hp running stock... i know for a fact there wont be an urge to raise booast levels since stage 2(AWD Conversion) of my swap would not be completed.. and this is my only car which i use for work and not for racing intentions.. 4 now.. lol

so basically I got 2 questions that have been killing me for a while now..
axles.. is it possible to mix and match GT tranny with 3sge axles.. if so that would be a delight but I highly doubt you can.. but im asking for clarification.. and 2.. what engine do you guys think I should go with.. 185 or 205?

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Sep 26, 2009 - 6:32 PM

[_Jim_]

ok lets stay on topic u guys.. i dont want this thread closed.. but thanks for the advice.. I think ill go with Gen 3 and leave everything stock.. ill post some pics of the engine that i buy when the time comes

It is a shame SilverCelica09, that when a dispute/argument/difference of opinion arises, the thread gets cleaned/deleted.....Even if there is solid information to be had. I cant see this being deleted because there is NO hostility amongst any of the members here.....and it is just hashing out ideas basically.

jim..besides the injectors, cams, and a few other things the gen 2 and 3 are EXACTLY the same platform...with a tune and larger injectors and cams..the 2nd gen will have no problem making numbers to match a 3rd gen, not to mention upgrading to a ct20b...stock for stock yes the 3rd gen does put out more power...but with little adjustments and for not a lot of money you can easily obtain over 300hp with a 2nd gen in basically stock form...a 3rd gen motor is like a 2nd gen with upgraded stock mods. of course the 3rd gen will put out more power then the 2nd gen but needless to say once both motors have to have upgraded cams, fuel rails, injectors, turbos, etc the playing feild is even. i know you know your **** and im not telling you anything you dont already know..dont get me wrong...but the point im trying to make is that both motors are basically identical, with the 3rd gen having updated and more sophiscated(if you will) modifications stock from toyota

No offense taken man, this is good information.

You are very much correct in saying the GEN2 and GEN3 become the same platform above a certain WHP number, but it most certainly isnt 300whp. The GEN2 and GEN3 basically become the same platform when going above 400+ WHP. I didnt mean it to sounds as tho the GEN2 could NEVER make the same power as the GEN3, because that is clearly not the case.....What I was trying to get across was that the GEN3 is a MUCH cheaper and more efficient solution for 400 sub WHP.

The problem with the GEN2 (and GEN3 for that matter) is that you cant just swap in bigger injectors and tune out the fuel you dont need like you can do with a 5sfte.....and that is what makes modding a GEN2 VERY expensive......the fuel management end. Dont get me wrong, if you want above 400WHP on a GEN3, you will need an EMS also, BUT......you DONT need an EMS until 400whp, where as a GEN2 you need some sort of fuel management to go over 280whp.

Art, post up the "setup" that you had in mind for the GEN2 that could be had for under 1000.