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post May 20, 2009 - 7:37 AM
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Hello everyone. My name is Brandon and I have a 1994 Corolla with a 4agze swap that we are rebuilding and twincharging.

E58 manual transmission w/ LSD
ae92 4agze bottom end
HKS head gasket
4age "blue top" bigport head and intake
SC12 modified to fit
TOGA HV oil pump
RX7 550cc injectors
Garrett T3/T4 50 trim turbo
Garrett fmic
HKS SSQV
Tial 38mm wastegate
Tubular manifold
Techno Toy Tuning adjustable cam gears
WRX spark plugs
Greddy profec EBC
AEM fuel and ignition controller


Old twincharge setup and pics



Rebuild progress

pulling the old motor


engine pulled


assembled and ready to go back in


putting it back in


new motor in


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post May 22, 2009 - 12:01 PM
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the VW set-up is designed with fuel economy in mind, not performance, twin charge + performance = fail, the supercharger will be taking more power than it can produce at higher RPMs thus, stealing for the turbo. Twincharge will have a great powerline tho. but if top end power is what you're after you should get rid of the supercharger.


This is an awesome project, I was thinking about a 4agte using a 4agze bottom and blue head and a GT28RS turbo, I even have a E58 tranny sitting around.

Good luck with everything,


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post May 24, 2009 - 11:36 PM
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QUOTE (Culpable04 @ May 22, 2009 - 5:01 PM) *
the VW set-up is designed with fuel economy in mind, not performance, twin charge + performance = fail, the supercharger will be taking more power than it can produce at higher RPMs thus, stealing for the turbo. Twincharge will have a great powerline tho. but if top end power is what you're after you should get rid of the supercharger.


This is an awesome project, I was thinking about a 4agte using a 4agze bottom and blue head and a GT28RS turbo, I even have a E58 tranny sitting around.

Good luck with everything,



the vw twincharged was not designed with just economy in mind , yes it can get 40 miles a gallon , but 170 hp and more in tq. is very high for a low boost 1.4 liter. the instantanious and continuous torque that keeps building in this setup is the winning factor , as described here:

http://www.automobilesreview.com/reviews/vw-jetta-gli/37/

i did about 80% of the designing and work on this particular engine and setup in this thread , and people in australia (before the vw market twincharge) have done this with upwards of 300 whp , with just a gt25. the main deciding factor on this build was the want for a 300+whp car with outstanding pull throgh out the rev range.

by boosting through the s/c ( like most twincharged gze's)theres also a lot more switches , controls , etc. to work out in the design also (not to mention the ginormous amounts of compressor presuure differences with s/c after throttle and turbo before throttle). with the s/c boosting through the turbo (s/c>turbo>intercooler), its a strait forward process , with no restrictions as far as the sc12 being able to turn the volume of air the turbo will be producing(like in turbo>s/c>intercooler).

yes super chargers can "multiply" boost , but a small 920 cfm per revolution sc12 isnt the s/c for the job. but however pushing its factory boost thru the turbo( 10 lbs) till the turbo spools (and then well after while the turbo is spooling , kind like feeding the turbo 10 lbs. of boost) ,it puts no limitations or restrictions in the system. the s/c and turbo both are free to spool whenever. one or the other at different rpms , or both in high rpms.

This post has been edited by shubert_ae102: May 25, 2009 - 1:45 AM


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- Corolla_TC   4agze rebuild   May 20, 2009 - 7:37 AM
- - presure2   looks like a fun project! have you run it on t...   May 20, 2009 - 7:48 AM
- - Corolla_TC   the bottom pic is the most recent. we just got th...   May 20, 2009 - 7:56 AM
- - Stambo   nice! I'm still interested in doing a twin...   May 20, 2009 - 11:29 AM
- - bmrabb   Looks like an awesome project you got there. I...   May 20, 2009 - 2:19 PM
- - nik   so is this just for show ? or more for power? ju...   May 20, 2009 - 2:24 PM
- - njccmd2002   whos doinf the work for you?   May 20, 2009 - 3:24 PM
- - Corolla_TC   the work is being done by myself and another corol...   May 21, 2009 - 6:45 AM
- - Corolla_TC   here are some pics of the goodies that are going i...   May 21, 2009 - 6:57 AM
- - njccmd2002   what part of WR you live?   May 21, 2009 - 9:20 AM
- - GriffGirl   Welcome! I'm glad to see you made it over ...   May 21, 2009 - 12:14 PM
- - Corolla_TC   i actually live off of 42 which is considered fort...   May 21, 2009 - 12:28 PM
- - nik   corolla_TC this is how i set up my 7agte http://...   May 21, 2009 - 2:15 PM
- - Corolla_TC   thanks. that just gave me some ideas. im gonna k...   May 21, 2009 - 6:44 PM
- - Stambo   did you ever try the bigger hks crank pulley and s...   May 22, 2009 - 7:03 AM
- - Culpable04   the VW set-up is designed with fuel economy in min...   May 22, 2009 - 12:01 PM
|- - shubert_ae102   QUOTE (Culpable04 @ May 22, 2009 - 5...   May 24, 2009 - 11:36 PM
- - 97lestyousay   Great project, I look forward to seeing more.   May 22, 2009 - 12:25 PM
- - Corolla_TC   I actually had the blitz pulley on there before I ...   May 23, 2009 - 11:22 PM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE (Corolla_TC @ May 23, 2009 - 9...   May 24, 2009 - 1:18 AM
- - Culpable04   I completely admire the design and thoughts put on...   May 25, 2009 - 11:13 AM
- - Corolla_TC   well a couple of times, it almost turned into a tu...   May 26, 2009 - 6:16 AM
- - Stambo   What is the ABV mod you are talking about for the ...   May 26, 2009 - 10:39 AM
- - Corolla_TC   ABV mod click link. the HKS pulley came with dir...   May 26, 2009 - 11:07 AM
- - jmeyer   How is the motor going to take 20-25 psi of boost....   May 26, 2009 - 5:46 PM
- - jason   wow - just stumbled upon this and i must say hats ...   May 26, 2009 - 8:14 PM
- - Corolla_TC   we didn't change any of the internals on the b...   May 27, 2009 - 6:47 AM
- - Corolla_TC   well we got a good bit done this weekend. got the...   Jun 1, 2009 - 12:19 PM
- - Corolla_TC   Got the FPR and all the fuel lines done. Put in t...   Jun 6, 2009 - 11:36 PM
- - Corolla_TC   We all the intercooler piping is mocked up and cla...   Jun 8, 2009 - 7:07 AM
- - Lil-Joe101   Looks like a jumble of goodie goodness. Mad props ...   Jun 8, 2009 - 7:10 AM
- - Neil_Y   awesome   Jun 28, 2009 - 6:40 AM
- - Corolla_TC   got the radiator mounted. shubert spent a lot of ...   Jun 29, 2009 - 10:57 AM
- - K20VFX   That's a top job you're doing there, i...   Sep 7, 2009 - 1:43 PM
- - Corolla_TC   I got it off of ebay. it was an oil cooler and re...   Sep 8, 2009 - 8:48 AM
- - K20VFX   Yeah, e-bay is good. I knew if I asked someone the...   Sep 12, 2009 - 2:50 PM


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