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post May 25, 2009 - 11:58 AM
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Hello!!! i read about the diferences, upgrades ++ about 2gen vs 3gen 3S-GTE`s but i didnt read anything about the 4Gen 3S-GTE. Anyones knows the diferences betwen those engines? what parts are the same, what performance parts cant be use on the 4gen?

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post May 31, 2009 - 11:53 AM
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here are some more differences i keep laying around for such discussions....

-Adjustable cam gear (AEM, Fidanza, HKS, OBX, ATS). Any cam gear kit for 3SGTE will fit.

-XS Power SSAC ST205 manifold/downpipe used with a ST205 turbo will convert the one-piece ST215 manifold/turbo to a nicely upgradeable ST205 Ct20b turbo kit. You can add to this a t3/t4 adaptor and you will be able to use a t3/t4 turbo (like I did on my ST215 swap)

-Pistons, rods, crankshaft are all the same for ST205 and ST215

-The injectors are the same as the ST205 one, so, if there is a 3rd gen fuel system available, it will fit the ST215 too.

-The exhaust camshaft is the same as the ST205 one. So an HKS 264/272 exhaust camshaft will bolt on. For the intake, I don't know if the HKS one would fit. Next year, when money will allow it, I'll buy a HKS264/264 camshaft kit and I'll know if the intake camshaft fit or not.

-You can remove the top ATA intercooler and add a FMIC as easy as any other 3SGTE.

The alternator can be replaced with one from any 5SFE or 3SGTE, along with the a/c compressor and the p/s pump (though the 4th gen p/s pump uses an electronic sending unit for the idle-up).

Bear in mind that the 4th gen injectors are also high-impedance, and no resistor pack is used.
-pistons
-connecting rods
-crankshaft
-exhaust camshaft
-cam gears
-timing belt
-water pump
-Intake manifold (bolt pattern are the same)
-fuel rail and injectors from ST215 are 540cc and top feed, so they have the same output rating as gen3, but they are top feed instead of side-feed(gen3)
-exhaust manifold (same bolt pattern)(but the 4th gen exhaust manifold is casted with the turbine housing)
-MAT sensor (manifold air temp)
-MAP sensor
-crank pulley
-oil pans
-oil pickup system
-knock sensor
-ac compressor
-alternator



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Posts in this topic
- fran   Gen 3 Vs Gen 4   May 25, 2009 - 11:58 AM
- - domyz   3rd gen intercooling(water to air) is by far bette...   May 25, 2009 - 12:57 PM
- - Nial   4th gen has a higher compression ratio which makes...   May 28, 2009 - 2:04 AM
- - reko   4th gens use coil pack = you'll have to run a ...   May 30, 2009 - 1:38 PM
|- - 3WayStunna   QUOTE (reko @ May 30, 2009 - 1:38 PM...   May 30, 2009 - 3:48 PM
- - pitcelica   QUOTE Anywho, to actually contribute to this threa...   May 31, 2009 - 7:41 AM
- - 3WayStunna   I stand corrected   May 31, 2009 - 9:15 AM
- - easternpiro1   here are some more differences i keep laying aroun...   May 31, 2009 - 11:53 AM
- - pitcelica   QUOTE -The injectors are the same as the ST205 one...   May 31, 2009 - 12:45 PM
- - Marchius   One question - will 3rd gen engine gaskets fit to ...   Oct 3, 2013 - 7:51 AM
- - easternpiro1   I wonder though... why did toyota go with differen...   Oct 10, 2013 - 5:22 PM
- - Smaay   are you sure about the high impedance injectors? e...   Oct 10, 2013 - 10:45 PM
- - presure2   Yup, the 4th gen has high impedance injectors.   Oct 12, 2013 - 10:15 AM
- - delusionz   so does it bolt in with the same 3 bolts? sounds l...   Oct 24, 2013 - 7:05 AM
- - match220   The alternator on the 4th gen is larger with a hig...   Dec 15, 2013 - 7:59 AM
- - pitcelica   QUOTE (match220 @ Dec 15, 2013 - 1:5...   Dec 15, 2013 - 10:26 AM
|- - match220   QUOTE (pitcelica @ Dec 15, 2013 - 5...   Dec 15, 2013 - 10:51 AM
- - easternpiro1   Larger alternator? Im using one from the 5sfe....   Dec 20, 2013 - 7:09 PM
- - MR2fanatic   We have alot of information on the gen4 3sgte alon...   Jan 6, 2014 - 11:04 PM
- - JasonTX   QUOTE (MR2fanatic @ Jan 7, 2014 - 12...   Jan 7, 2014 - 1:49 AM
|- - cardshark525   QUOTE (JasonTX @ Jan 7, 2014 - 1:49 ...   Jan 7, 2014 - 9:09 AM
- - MR2fanatic   Thanks for the feedback guys! Cardshark,how is...   Jan 12, 2014 - 2:32 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   Just a little thread revive. My input on my experi...   May 6, 2016 - 4:03 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   No not the whining fuel pump dont do it. I had it ...   May 8, 2016 - 12:03 AM
- - ILoveMySilly97   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 7, 2016 - 10...   May 9, 2016 - 5:58 PM


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