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post Jun 24, 2009 - 2:27 AM
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Here's my write up on building a 7age using a ser1 Bigport head and opviously a 7afe bottomend.
I'm writing the build in 2 sections: section 1 is the history behind the build,the initial ideas and why I didn't end up with them.Section 2 is the actual build step by step with pics of before and after modifications.

Section.1

The overall feeling about the 7afe interals are that their weak espesially the rods and that they dont like high revs.Apparently their weakness is in the rod bolt assembly as their not like the 4age rods with a bolt end nut configuration but just a bolt going into tread on the rod side.

Well this scared me as my future plans for the 7age is a 7agte and I really dont fancy the idea of a broken rod causing a messed up engine so I did some research: In South Africa getting hold of aftermarket forged 7afe parts is like finding a 18year old virgin so I had to find other alternatives.So I went and bought a set of CA18DET conrods as their only 0.3mm longer than the 7afe rods and the small ends are the same exept that their floating pin as opposed to the 7afe being press-fit.The big ends are quite different but nothing machining can't solve.The Nissan rods are 24.4mm wide at the bigend and have a 48mm diameter.The toyota is 22mm wide with a 50mm diameter.so the plan was to modify the crank by cutting it to 46mm and nitrate harden it afterwards and shaving the nissan conrods thinner to the aquired 22mm.
But...

The 7afe have a cast iron crank and therefore can only be gas nitrated which only penetrates to 0.4mm below the surface.I prefer deep and proper penatration... Liquid Nitrating gives a deep hardening but can only be done on steel cranks.

That then forced me to scrap the Nissan rod idea.I've read on the G6 Celica forums of guys boosting their 7afte's on stock untouched bottom ends and some even accidently overboosting to as much as 20psi at 8000rpm without breaking anything.This got me thinking and I phoned Dave Repsold the old TRD Liftback builder as his known to know his stuff on the Toyota racing scene in SA.He's got lots of faith in the 7AFE rods as according to him their forged and much stronger than what they look like.He did however suggest some modifications done to them to keep them high-rev-happy.This mods include inserting 4age smallens bearings and modifying the rod bold setup so they can take ARP rodbolts.The crank also get polished 0.5thou to allow for a bit more oil layer between the crank and bigend bearings.Thus I ended up using 7AFE bottom-end goodies with ser3 TC pistons.

Section.2

The 7AFE donating its bottom end:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF0867-1.jpg

The block stripped,cleaned and honed:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird...aned7Ablock.jpg

My std 7AFE rods as I got them from Dave Repsold,he modified them and put 4age small-end bearings in as Im using ser3 4AGE pistons.He also re-tapped and threaded the rodbolt section to accommodate ARP bolts:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image342.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image343.jpg

The series3 pistons,donated by 88RSI (Dankie Marius vir al jou moeite met die rods en vir die pistons)
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image344.jpg

The Genuine Toyota Decoke set:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image350.jpg

The crank after being polished and balanced:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image346.jpg

My copper clutch made by Norbrake in Boksburg compared to the std clutch:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image341.jpg

The Walbro High flow 5bar 255l/h pump:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image332.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image334.jpg

The Renault Espace 116teeth cambelt,
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image349-1.jpg

The crank installed and torqued:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1115.jpg

I used a 4age waterpump with the 7afe rear section here's a pic of how I made it fit:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1118.jpg

The series3 pistons sitting snugly in the 7AFE block:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1135.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1136.jpg

Fitting the sump and pic-up:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1133.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1134.jpg

The engine bay after a high pressure cleanout,axiously awaiting the monster:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1137.jpg

The bottom-end and gearbox on its way to the engine bay:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1138.jpg

The engine installed and mountings tightened (halfway there):
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1139.jpg

The head torqued,intake and exhaust branch fitted:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1140.jpg

The cams fitted,I made small markings so that I can adjust it to the correct position after the cambelt is fitted.Due to the cambelt not really made for this motor the teeth forces the cams to be out by about 3deg:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1142.jpg

This is corrected by means of vernier camgears (Thx to Marius again for the camgears):
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1141.jpg

The renault belt is very tight fit,with the tensioner fully slacked its moer difficult to get the belt on so I Slotted the tensioner a bit more:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF2312.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF2311.jpg

I also hed to cut the extension off that the spring hooks on to,didn't take a pic of that tho

I used the 7AFE bottom cam cover as the 4age cover didn't fit.Using the 7A cover the alternator belt touches the timing marker so I had to cut it off and make my own markings;
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1143.jpg

Due to the 7afe block being a bit longer than a 4a block the alternator bracket doesnt fit as normal either so I just removed 1 bolt to allow for it to hang a bit.:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/Image1145.jpg

The motor started after we had a lot of problems getting the camtiming perfect but we got there.The engine has done 400km thus far.

Here's the final pictures of what the engine now looks like:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF2323.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF2322.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF2321.jpg

Hope this write-up will help guys out there wanting to do the same thing.

As soon as the engine is run in the Dicktator management goes in and this will sort the breathing...
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF2353.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/Ewird/DSCF2352.jpg

This post has been edited by Ewie: Jun 24, 2009 - 3:07 AM


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gonna get numbers any time soon?


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post Jun 25, 2009 - 1:40 AM
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QUOTE (Stambo @ Jun 24, 2009 - 10:01 PM) *
gonna get numbers any time soon?

I dont drive the car that much so the milage pics up slow.When the engine is run in,ITB's and ECU fitted I'll have it Dynotuned and will post up the numbers


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Posts in this topic
- Ewie   Ewie's 7AGE build   Jun 24, 2009 - 2:27 AM
- - playr158   wow this is an excellent post. Great work and good...   Jun 24, 2009 - 6:58 AM
- - Bitter   if i may make a suggestion, some other 4age's ...   Jun 24, 2009 - 7:25 PM
|- - Ewie   QUOTE (Bitter @ Jun 24, 2009 - 8:25 ...   Jun 25, 2009 - 1:35 AM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE (Ewie @ Jun 25, 2009 - 1:35 AM...   Jun 25, 2009 - 7:29 AM
- - Stambo   gonna get numbers any time soon?   Jun 24, 2009 - 9:01 PM
|- - Ewie   QUOTE (Stambo @ Jun 24, 2009 - 10:01...   Jun 25, 2009 - 1:40 AM
- - Stambo   i must be lost in translation but ITB?   Jun 26, 2009 - 1:39 PM
- - playr158   ITB stands for Individual Throttle Bodies you can...   Jun 26, 2009 - 2:29 PM
- - nik   its nice to see more 7age/7agte info on here good...   Jun 26, 2009 - 2:41 PM
- - hurley97   Interesting project, very nice. It's easier to...   Jun 26, 2009 - 8:27 PM
- - 97lestyousay   Nice write up, I guess I am a purest I would never...   Jun 27, 2009 - 12:01 AM
|- - hurley97   QUOTE (97lestyousay @ Jun 27, 2009 - 1...   Jun 27, 2009 - 4:31 PM
- - Ewie   Thanx guys. The engine has done 820km thusfar,cha...   Jun 29, 2009 - 1:46 PM
- - Stambo   What are you reving too, just curious.   Jun 29, 2009 - 11:46 PM
- - Ewie   Im not reving past 6000 YET,as the motor still fee...   Jun 30, 2009 - 1:11 PM
- - zoik   so? any dyno results?   Jul 13, 2009 - 8:52 PM
|- - Ewie   QUOTE (zoik @ Jul 13, 2009 - 9:52 PM...   Jul 18, 2009 - 2:16 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE (Ewie @ Jul 18, 2009 - 12:16 A...   Jul 28, 2009 - 6:31 PM
- - nik   you can always swap to the 20 v head but you gotta...   Jul 28, 2009 - 10:37 AM
- - soulshadow   Very nice! I plan to do something the same one...   Jul 28, 2009 - 4:01 PM
- - Ewie   I used my 7afe's pully to get TDC with the mar...   Aug 8, 2009 - 1:06 AM
- - Stambo   So 20v pistons will fit no problem in the 7a than?   Aug 16, 2009 - 10:07 AM
|- - Ewie   QUOTE (Stambo @ Aug 16, 2009 - 11:07...   Aug 17, 2009 - 12:41 PM
- - flyinglizard   Any updates?   Dec 12, 2009 - 8:45 PM
- - bc5turbo   NICE :-)   Dec 14, 2009 - 4:45 PM
|- - Johnnyny   Update...?   May 15, 2010 - 8:39 AM
- - suprasonixx   Hi All I would require some assistance on this mat...   May 31, 2010 - 11:43 PM
- - dans_st   don't think 7A alt will fit because it goes bo...   Jun 3, 2010 - 7:17 PM
- - Ewie   Upgrade to my 7AGE with dyno sheet. Ive changed t...   Jun 4, 2012 - 3:02 AM
- - simon86   Hey guys im new to this forum. I have a question E...   Jun 8, 2012 - 8:34 PM


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