The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? Options

[BonzaiCelica]

So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.

[Tony-B]

I was just going to say that!!

A 3s-gte can be tuned to 300bhp+ quite easily. Front mount intercooler, boost controller, fuel pressure regulator, 100 octane fuel, less restrictive pipework etc. None of which are too expensive or hard to get.

I think the power difference would overwrite the weight difference?

But it would be expensive, unless you where an engineer or something.

But the 2ZZ is a nice engine and seems to have a Lot of happy owners so........

Also 3s-gte's were being produced in japan up as far as 2007!

A 2007 caldina GT-4 engine swap to a 6gen? thats a different thread altogether.