The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? Options

[BonzaiCelica]

So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.

[BonzaiCelica]

ok now that what i do not understand! whats the purpose of torque.

honda integra type r 195 hp at 8,000rpm, and 130 lb torque at 7,000 rpm

toyota celica ss-III with 3sge Beams, 197hp at 6,000 rpm and 152 lb of torque at 6,000 rpm.

so the 3sge has 22 more lbs of torque vs the b18c5. what so great about that???

[nakamura]

ok now that what i do not understand! whats the purpose of torque.

honda integra type r 195 hp at 8,000rpm, and 130 lb torque at 7,000 rpm

toyota celica ss-III with 3sge Beams, 197hp at 6,000 rpm and 152 lb of torque at 6,000 rpm.

so the 3sge has 22 more lbs of torque vs the b18c5. what so great about that???

Its the delivery of the torque that makes the difference. The 3S is available from around 3200rpm, 90% of torque on my engine was in then. I was hitting 132ft/lbs at 3200 and 152 ft at maximum around 5200ish.