The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? Options

[BonzaiCelica]

So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.

[BonzaiCelica]

very awesome vids. I've seen those before!

so what kinda of mods did that white integra have and what mods did you have on your ss-III celica? ya ive heard the engine one time in person, when the car had just been turned on for a minute and man did it sounded really good!!! and that 2.2 ltr prelude that you raced how much hp does that thing have 200?

how does that work with the ecu. what kind of aftermaket ecu did you have on the celica? if you had one at all?

Oh and i was also thinking that since the 3sge never made it to the US cause of emissions, so why did toyota go with a 1.8 2zz-ge i mean c'mon now 2.0 would of had more torque and a mere 180hp isnt enough. I guess honda has been building better engines than toyota has for a longer time... gotta have respect for the honda engineer's, but no respect for the dumb honda race boys that think their civic with swapped b18c5 is the ****, cause of vtec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojB7KkaR03I haha and this is what i mean!!!! haha its funny

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Mar 11, 2017 - 3:10 AM

[Edophus]

thanks the white integra was my freinds, i also helped to build that, both cars were basically identical mod wise, light flywheel, stripped, coilovers and semi slicks, performance was very similar but the integra was running a bit rich up top which was costing him a bit of power, and he was running d2 coilovers which are really junk, we eventually fixed that by fitting a rsr manifold and custom exhaust and binning the d2's for a set of hks hipermax which were infinetly better, both cars put in identical laptimes after that, which says a lot about the strength of the beams considering when both cars are stripped the integra is around 100kg lighter and i hadnt changed anything engine wise in those vids, i had trd superstrut suskit coilovers. The black car i'm catching at the end is another integra on yoko ao48 semi slicks and driven by someone who was a lot more experienced at that track, at that point i'd only been on that track for about 20 minutes, i drove it again the next day and found a ton of time over the whole track but dont have vids of that sadly. I think the 1998 jdm integra had 197 bhp, but from experience there power can vary a bit, some make more some less. Those were fun times and even the integra owners of which there were many at those events had to concede the ss3 was a very good match for the integra! praise indeed!!!

Yup the prelude was a 197 bhp version, a bb1 if i remember right which is one of the slower variants and i really ditched him , another friend has a jdm bb4 with lsd and its just slightly faster than the ss3 was stock, the bb4 prelude is a really nice car to drive and i much prefer it to the integra!

Didnt have any aftermarket ecu in those vids but after that i made a loom that meant i could use a 1zz-fe power-fc to control the beams as you dont get an off the shelf ecu for the beams, so this was a good cheap option that required very little wiring changes to work, i dont have the car or ecu anymore but have the loom still if any beams owners wanted to go down this route. The power-fc now lives on in a turbo charged gen 7 in ireland, so proof that the ecu itself didnt need to be modified.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Aug 15, 2009 - 8:29 AM