The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? Options

[BonzaiCelica]

So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.

[Shigexile]

how can people just assume the results of the integra vs celica like that?
hasn't anyone seen the best motoring video where the 7gc does a test against ek9 dc2 dc5 and other?

if i remember correctly, the 7gc lost to both civic and integra


edit: found the link
these are all stock cars with professional drivers at the same level so you can't complain about driver or mods.
0-400m race
race part 1
race part 2

This post has been edited by Shigexile: Aug 16, 2009 - 5:22 PM

[Edophus]

in a discussion about engines just how relevant is a video of some track focused hondas that weigh 80-100kg less than the non track focused celica's going round a track? pretty meaningless imo

btw i have assumed nothing, i have actually raced both my 2zz corolla and beams celica against dozens of type-r's both on and off track and strangely enough when all things are equal, ie, weight, tyres and suspension there similar in performance to the point of being identical.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Aug 16, 2009 - 5:56 PM