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post Aug 26, 2009 - 9:46 AM
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Good Day All.

I have some questions that i did not get from trolling and searchings. I hope that the some of the swap gurus can chime in.

Project: Swap 6gen JDM 3SGE Beams into 1994 USDM GT.
Goals: 200whp and reliability
Use: Race - Car will be completely gutted including all glass and prepped for racing.

Current setup is a stock 5SFE with 60k miles.
Transplanting 3SGE Beams and LSD S54 tranny. Yet to be procured. I have few I am looking at with money in hand.

Drivetrain - The 5SFE has an S54 on it and I assume that the axles and clutch will interchange?
Question#1 - Did any of the USDM Celicas with the S54 have stock LSD?
Question#2 - Flywheel and clutch upgrade? What are my options?

Electrical - Since its a same Gen Celica did the harnesses drastically change over the lifecycle of the 6th Gen? Pre Post OdbII?
Question#1 - Can someone confirm that the stock USDM harness will plug and play with the ECU and Beams? With exception to wires being lenghted to accomodate RHD vs LHD.
Question#2 - If my assumptions for one is complete off please guide me in the correct direction.
Question#3 - Dash Cluster - Racing I really do not care about speed as much as temps and RPM. I do not want to buy an JDM dash cluster is there a work around to make the stock one work? Otherwise will likely go the DEFI Link route.
Question#4 ODBII vs ODB1 The 94 is ODB1. The Beams will be ODBII Has anyone got this to work on a pre 96 vehicle? I only ask as ODB is a good way to check sensor failure vs the plug and play method.


Tuning
Goal of 200whp with Intake, Exhaust upgrade, no cat, no P/S, no A/C, Flywheel upgrade, ecu, ect.
Questions1 - Does anyone have experience with any of the JDM ECUs such as Mines, Toms, I.Mec, Blitz?
Question#2 - Headers any experience with C-One, Apexi, HKS, Fujitsubo?
Question#3 - Crank/Balancer Pulley.. Is there one?


Thanks in advance.

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post Aug 27, 2009 - 1:30 AM
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uh hold on a sec Batman. whats that your saying about using a 5sfe throw out disk and bearing. The s54 on 3sge redtop is a helical lsd. So stock axles from usdm gt celica will fit into the tranny correct.

I heard that obd II will help better tune the car, if you decide to do so. If thats even true or not....

http://www.nengun.com/toyota/celica-st202 check out that site. some stuff for the 3sge redtop.


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post Aug 30, 2009 - 4:26 PM
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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 27, 2009 - 2:30 AM) *
uh hold on a sec Batman. whats that your saying about using a 5sfe throw out disk and bearing.

the flywheel and the pressure plate is a 3s.
the disk is 5sfe (or just buy the acutal beams disk) and tob is s54.
that's what I'm saying.

QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 27, 2009 - 2:30 AM) *
The s54 on 3sge redtop is a helical lsd. So stock axles from usdm gt celica will fit into the tranny correct.

I'm very aware of that.


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post Aug 31, 2009 - 9:51 AM
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QUOTE (Batman722 @ Aug 31, 2009 - 7:26 AM) *
QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 27, 2009 - 2:30 AM) *
uh hold on a sec Batman. whats that your saying about using a 5sfe throw out disk and bearing.

the flywheel and the pressure plate is a 3s.
the disk is 5sfe (or just buy the acutal beams disk) and tob is s54.
that's what I'm saying.

QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 27, 2009 - 2:30 AM) *
The s54 on 3sge redtop is a helical lsd. So stock axles from usdm gt celica will fit into the tranny correct.

I'm very aware of that.


Actually it is 3s flywheel, 3s pressure plate, 3s disk with 5s spline, 5s TOB. 5s disk like Manny showed is too small for the 3s flywheel.


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- turnip   Swap: 3sge Beams into 94GT-RIP=DEAD   Aug 26, 2009 - 9:46 AM
- - njccmd2002   http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams/ youll find more ...   Aug 26, 2009 - 11:59 AM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Aug 26, 2009 - 12...   Aug 26, 2009 - 3:39 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 26, 2009 - 3...   Aug 26, 2009 - 4:38 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   first off. Welcome to the site. 6gc.net is the bes...   Aug 26, 2009 - 2:23 PM
- - Batman722   QUOTE (turnip @ Aug 26, 2009 - 10:46...   Aug 26, 2009 - 6:15 PM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Aug 26, 2009 - 6...   Aug 26, 2009 - 6:30 PM
- - turnip   Appreciate all the help Batman. Here is the link...   Aug 26, 2009 - 8:08 PM
- - njccmd2002   where are you..   Aug 26, 2009 - 8:15 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Aug 26, 2009 - 9...   Aug 27, 2009 - 10:39 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   uh hold on a sec Batman. whats that your saying ab...   Aug 27, 2009 - 1:30 AM
|- - Batman722   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 27, 2009 - 2...   Aug 30, 2009 - 4:26 PM
|- - trdproven   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Aug 31, 2009 - 7...   Aug 31, 2009 - 9:51 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (trdproven @ Aug 31, 2009 - 9...   Sep 2, 2009 - 5:14 PM
- - turnip   And it begins. Picked Up Today Optimistic to...   Aug 29, 2009 - 9:38 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   oh ok thanks.   Aug 30, 2009 - 5:28 PM
- - njccmd2002   Congratulations, i recognize that beams, i think, ...   Aug 30, 2009 - 6:01 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Aug 30, 2009 - 6...   Aug 30, 2009 - 7:35 PM
- - Outsider   Can I assume that all of those cut wires come from...   Aug 30, 2009 - 7:56 PM
|- - turnip   Those cut wire represent the beams harness lead th...   Aug 31, 2009 - 9:16 AM
- - njccmd2002   So any 3 s will do, fidanza aluminum for the 3sgte...   Aug 31, 2009 - 10:23 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (trdproven @ Aug 31, 2009 - 10...   Aug 31, 2009 - 4:39 PM
- - turnip   Engine Coming out today. Sure would like to pul...   Sep 2, 2009 - 10:10 AM
|- - Batman722   QUOTE (turnip @ Sep 2, 2009 - 11:10 ...   Sep 2, 2009 - 5:04 PM
- - turnip   Its out. Down through the bottom it came. Its ...   Sep 2, 2009 - 7:27 PM
- - Smaay   yeah axles are a PITA getting out. one reason i lo...   Sep 6, 2009 - 4:19 PM
- - turnip   Engine in and hope to have it running this week. ...   Sep 7, 2009 - 8:27 PM
- - Rusty   wow you dont muck around, good to see more 3s-ge ...   Sep 8, 2009 - 1:02 AM
- - turnip   After a of crazy work week, I finally got a chance...   Sep 12, 2009 - 7:40 PM
- - Batman722   It's not just pins 4 and 17 on EA1, but interi...   Sep 13, 2009 - 12:08 AM
|- - turnip   First off. Thank you. I did look over the harne...   Sep 13, 2009 - 8:44 AM
|- - Batman722   sorry if I came off like a jerk, it was late at ni...   Sep 13, 2009 - 9:04 AM
|- - turnip   Its a manual. This celica is being gutted. C...   Sep 13, 2009 - 9:13 AM
- - Batman722   the reason I ask if it was an auto is the pink wir...   Sep 13, 2009 - 10:54 AM
- - turnip   I will get some up today. It turns over and sou...   Sep 13, 2009 - 11:20 AM
- - Rusty   whoa is that compression right? 3sge (3gen) is abo...   Sep 14, 2009 - 12:52 AM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (Rusty @ Sep 14, 2009 - 12:52 ...   Sep 14, 2009 - 9:29 AM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE (turnip @ Sep 15, 2009 - 2:29 ...   Sep 15, 2009 - 12:39 AM
- - erahman85   does the stock 5sfe MAF sensor work with the 3sgem...   Sep 14, 2009 - 4:46 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (erahman85 @ Sep 14, 2009 - 4...   Sep 15, 2009 - 5:08 AM
- - turnip   Anyone have a beams B-pipe laying around the want ...   Sep 14, 2009 - 8:11 PM
- - njccmd2002   what is the b pipe? the second part of the exhaus...   Sep 14, 2009 - 8:36 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 14, 2009 - 8...   Sep 14, 2009 - 8:59 PM
- - Batman722   the issue is the b pipe and rest of the exhaust is...   Sep 14, 2009 - 10:09 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 14, 2009 - 11...   Sep 15, 2009 - 8:45 PM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (turnip @ Sep 15, 2009 - 8:45 ...   Sep 15, 2009 - 10:05 PM
- - njccmd2002   cut the b-pipe at the level of 17410 or cut after ...   Sep 14, 2009 - 10:59 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 14, 2009 - 10...   Sep 15, 2009 - 8:37 AM
- - njccmd2002   i have also been lookng at aftermarket headers and...   Sep 14, 2009 - 11:03 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   its aftermarket header, single not plural. i was t...   Sep 15, 2009 - 12:15 AM
- - pasqual   I did beams swap to celica st202 , 2 years ago ...   Sep 15, 2009 - 12:37 PM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (pasqual @ Sep 15, 2009 - 12:3...   Sep 15, 2009 - 12:57 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (pasqual @ Sep 15, 2009 - 1:37...   Sep 15, 2009 - 4:24 PM
- - erahman85   QUOTE (pasqual @ Sep 15, 2009 - 12:3...   Sep 15, 2009 - 9:02 PM
- - 2bcelica   It does have a MAF, but for the beams its refered ...   Sep 15, 2009 - 9:05 PM
|- - erahman85   QUOTE (2bcelica @ Sep 15, 2009 - 9:0...   Sep 15, 2009 - 9:25 PM
|- - 2bcelica   QUOTE (erahman85 @ Sep 16, 2009 - 2...   Sep 15, 2009 - 10:08 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (2bcelica @ Sep 15, 2009 - 11...   Sep 15, 2009 - 10:16 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   rusty is fixing up the site a bit. he is going to ...   Sep 16, 2009 - 10:26 AM
- - 2bcelica   OK, - confirmed - the other MAF from 99+ toyota...   Sep 16, 2009 - 11:12 AM
- - erahman85   QUOTE (2bcelica @ Sep 16, 2009 - 12...   Sep 16, 2009 - 7:39 PM
|- - 2bcelica   QUOTE (erahman85 @ Sep 17, 2009 - 12...   Sep 16, 2009 - 8:49 PM
- - erahman85   QUOTE (2bcelica @ Sep 16, 2009 - 8:4...   Sep 16, 2009 - 9:14 PM
- - 2bcelica   Check engine light   Sep 16, 2009 - 9:22 PM
- - Batman722   is the one you got the same part # as the beams on...   Sep 16, 2009 - 10:00 PM
|- - 2bcelica   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 17, 2009 - 4...   Sep 16, 2009 - 11:48 PM
- - turnip   Look what arrived today. Damn ebay intake is be...   Sep 17, 2009 - 1:48 PM
- - 95st-celica   awesome thread so far...lots of good info...i woul...   Sep 17, 2009 - 2:55 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (95st-celica @ Sep 17, 2009 ...   Sep 17, 2009 - 4:11 PM
- - njccmd2002   sweet, how many miles on the cluster.....   Sep 17, 2009 - 9:47 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 17, 2009 - 9...   Sep 18, 2009 - 8:31 AM
- - njccmd2002   hey, whats the status on the start issue? do you ...   Sep 19, 2009 - 10:13 PM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 19, 2009 - 11...   Sep 20, 2009 - 9:11 AM
|- - trdproven   QUOTE (turnip @ Sep 21, 2009 - 12:11...   Sep 20, 2009 - 6:41 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   you dont need the cluster gauge, all you need is t...   Sep 20, 2009 - 2:47 PM
- - Rusty   QUOTE you dont need the cluster gauge, all you nee...   Sep 21, 2009 - 12:31 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   uhh from what 2bcelica said, you do not need 3sge ...   Sep 21, 2009 - 12:42 AM
- - njccmd2002   so any 7 redline 3sge will work?   Sep 21, 2009 - 11:28 PM
- - Rusty   umm hes stll using the beams rpm guage (like I sai...   Sep 22, 2009 - 12:42 AM
- - pasqual   You dont need celica beams cluster or rpm guge ....   Sep 22, 2009 - 9:49 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 21, 2009 - 11...   Sep 22, 2009 - 10:37 AM
- - njccmd2002   well i just asked in mr2/beams 1. Beams tacho is...   Sep 22, 2009 - 1:02 PM
|- - Batman722   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 22, 2009 - 2...   Sep 23, 2009 - 12:53 AM
- - 2bcelica   you do need the beams 9k rpm tach swapped into the...   Sep 22, 2009 - 1:06 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   ah really dayum that sucks. Well thats not my conc...   Sep 22, 2009 - 7:16 PM
- - 2bcelica   yeah - the led bulb i got from superbrightleds.com...   Sep 22, 2009 - 9:50 PM
- - turnip   Intake arrived today. Its pretty chinsy but it ...   Sep 22, 2009 - 9:57 PM
|- - 2bcelica   QUOTE (turnip @ Sep 23, 2009 - 2:57 ...   Sep 22, 2009 - 10:04 PM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (turnip @ Sep 22, 2009 - 9:57 ...   Sep 23, 2009 - 4:17 AM
|- - turnip   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 23, 2009 - 5...   Sep 23, 2009 - 7:23 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   alright thanks. Dont really understand how to do t...   Sep 23, 2009 - 1:46 AM
- - Rusty   thanks batman that was the point I was trying to m...   Sep 23, 2009 - 2:12 AM
- - njccmd2002   been looking at the wiring, so.. why do we need o...   Sep 23, 2009 - 4:23 AM
|- - Batman722   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 23, 2009 - 5...   Sep 23, 2009 - 7:17 AM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 23, 2009 - 7...   Sep 23, 2009 - 7:58 AM
- - turnip   Batman we appreciate all the help.   Sep 23, 2009 - 8:15 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   get the lightweight c-one pulley from nengun.   Sep 23, 2009 - 10:09 AM
- - 99GT   Batman kicks ass.   Sep 23, 2009 - 10:14 AM
- - pasqual   turnip can You put point by point problems you ne...   Sep 23, 2009 - 12:00 PM
- - turnip   QUOTE (pasqual @ Sep 23, 2009 - 12:0...   Sep 23, 2009 - 12:35 PM
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