Beams Red top Vs *MZ-FE, Nope, no 3sgte please. Options

[njccmd2002]

Need your help. 3sgte, I have decided against this. This is not a useless post, swap is a coming!! but dont know what!!



Please Disregard swap cost, dont tell me why it cant be done, or too difficult, i dont care.

If i had 2 celicas, identical same color and everything. One is a V6 and the other one is beams, what do you want. This is not a discussion about cost, or how hard it is to swap.

I have seen HP is about the same, however there are torque differences. What does that entail?

V6 has a little more torque. I read some posts, but i know is what keeps the engine going, like momentum, but in practicality, what is it? , what does that mean to me?

Yes, I dont want hassle with turbo, at least for now, the v6 can be supercharged.

My goal is to push at least 190 hp, thats for now.

I just cant decide, im torn, i need opinions. Beams is gorgeous, but a V6 is magnificent.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Sep 10, 2009 - 8:34 AM

[RavenAegis45]

well everyones adding there 2 cents so i'll just add mine as well. the Beams does have alot going for it being a 3S-GE it does have aftermarket support no doubt about that plus most people just love the High RPMs it can reach which make it an awesome engine for the track. But of course it lacks torque in the lower Revs however since it has VVT-i it's not as bad as older versions of the 3S-GE. the VZ series is usually older and has a Cast Iron block which can withstand high PSi if you ever plan on boosting it especially if you get the latest versions, but there not as common as they are over sea's. the MZ series is a good engine to go with also since it's all Aluminum which is light and later models have VVT-i and make pretty good power numbers an yes they have alot more torque than 4 cylinders. Plus there incredibly common engines in the US. But IMO i would get the early VVT-i MZ versions found is some lexus models that have Duel throttle Bodies with Aluminum Intake Manifolds over the single throttle bodied ABS Manifolds of newer versions. ofcourse you can always swap those manifolds over to newer models... At least I think you can. Well thats my 2 cents hope it helped.

[Edophus]

thanks chaps i just try and remain balanced!, ah yeah i'm forgetting about the e153 , i sometimes feel the s54 doesnt let you take advantage of all that torque. I think also the v6 for sure can be good for racing, i do know of some really powerfull fully built ones used for endurance racing, which is why i say if your not opening the engine up its probably more dependant on what you intend to do with it as to which is best, however if you intend to do a full on engine build, then its hard to see past the extra capacity of the v6.

mmm i love the 2gr-fe, i'm putting a blacktop beams in my gen 3 celica, as much because its rwd configuration makes it easier to install in the gen 3 as anything else, but i think when the time comes for more power, i wont be tuning the beams but will step up to the 2gr-fe hopefully by then they will be easier to get and cheaper too.

bonzai - the stock weight of the ss3 beams is 1210kg, the superstrut setup adds a bit of weight to the front so a mac strut celica with a beams would be around 1190-1200ish so yeah your about right i'd say.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Sep 14, 2009 - 4:34 AM