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post Oct 6, 2009 - 10:05 AM
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THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY

Theres alot of people throwing opinions around about the 7afe's tuning capabilities and since I'm a mechanical engineering student I thought I'd just unload some basic info into one place smile.gif.

Unfortunately as I have only just bought a celica I cannot speak from personal experience but I can speak from some of my friends. I have also done ALL my homework online.

The 7A block and FE head are matched by toyota for one purpose. To give reasonable performance and great economy for the entry level of the 6th gen Celica. The 7afe does exactly this, it's not built for serious performance, its meant to be just enough. The 7A block has an oversquare bore to give excellent torque characteristics at the expense of high end power. The FE head is a narrow valve angle (22 degrees) economy head, that is to say, its designed for low down torque, good fuel economy, and overall tameness. The 7afe engine only actually uses 60% if its capacity at full power.

"The 7afe is a weak engine" is partly true, although it has a forged crank, the pistons and especially the rods are attrociously feeble. Sure they can handle the stock 114 ponies, but they won't last very long under more power.

Aside from your basic N/A tuning options, which in my opinion arent really worth the money, your tuning options come as such:

Head Swapping
The 4age or 4agze heads are a viable option, they provide much less restricted intake and in the gze case provide a little boost.

Engine Swapping
Probably the most cost effective, but if, like me, you live in the UK this is no longer really possible as the DVLA have legislated engine swaps into the £4/5k region.

Forced Induction
(Make sure you understand turbo setups or this will mean little to you).
If you have an ST then this is your best option in my opinion. There are numerous 7afe corolla turbo kits which, with a little modification, will fit the ST.
If you plan on running low boost (below about 8 psi) it is possible to use stock internals but do so at your own peril.
This is my reccomendation for tuning a 7afe engine:
Most importantly you will need forged internals, Pauter rods would be my choice and a forged piston set. The later can be imported from the states at http://www.importperformanceparts.net/imports/pek-geo.html. This includes a copper gasket as well as some other useful items to reinforce your block.
After this, a turbo set-up including a BOV to avoid compressor surge and an intercooler to keep intake charge temperature down will be a relatively simple job.
Make sure you have this checked and the map created by someone who knows what they are doing, or you will find you engine in pieces relatively quickly.

This will allow somewhere in the region of 200-250bhp reliable and without any excessive risk to the engine. Higher boost may need better valves, sparks, etc, to avoid melting them.

Up to a certain boost level, all the turbo will be doing is allowing the engine to utilise its full capacity, past that its effectively increasing the capacity by increasing the amount of air fuel mix you can burn.

I will reccomend forged internals for any engine, tuned or not, simply because they WILL NOT break unless your run crazy boost. And are a MUST HAVE for high level boosting.

I will be using forged internals and a turbo set up when i have enough time and money to get tuning, I will be running a progress blog so otheres can see.

P.S. Keeping a FE head will still leave great fuel economy at low boost if you find yourself very skint at some point.


Also, i will not be held responsible for any damage you do to yourself or your car using this info, it is for that purpose only, info.


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post Oct 11, 2009 - 6:07 PM
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QUOTE (youseman @ Oct 11, 2009 - 6:40 PM) *
ah touché, i was told overboosting was the turbocharger forcing more air in than the engine can digest/more boost is required, hence the bov point. I will have chat with my lecturer. He's a materials scientist teaching vehicle dynamics, "go figure" i believe is the term; i would have thought the guy would get his facts straight before lecturing on it. Maybe in engineering its different, but i doubt it. however i don't appreciate being patronised oobe, wether i may be right or wrong, try to have some respect for people please bro.


Where did you get your mechanical engineering degree from?


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Posts in this topic
- youseman   ST / 7afe tuning possibilties summary.   Oct 6, 2009 - 10:05 AM
- - SwissFerdi   Good stuff. I would love to see a detailed blog on...   Oct 6, 2009 - 10:29 AM
- - OOBE   ^ I already told you that it's not needed to d...   Oct 6, 2009 - 11:06 AM
- - SwissFerdi   I know man, and I appreciated that. But I'm tr...   Oct 6, 2009 - 11:36 AM
- - youseman   as oobe says, expeirence says the internals will h...   Oct 6, 2009 - 11:37 AM
- - celica3000   in 2005 i buy a turbo kit from corolla(7a-fe) from...   Oct 6, 2009 - 1:45 PM
- - FunkySR   I live in the UK, and I have the limited edition S...   Oct 6, 2009 - 6:03 PM
- - youseman   good to here stock internals hold well! i pers...   Oct 6, 2009 - 6:47 PM
- - Wintersun   Youseman are you on celica-club.co.uk?   Oct 6, 2009 - 7:13 PM
- - FunkySR   193k miles and counting. i'm from Thurrock.   Oct 10, 2009 - 12:33 PM
- - youseman   possibly, can't remember, i signed up too a fe...   Oct 10, 2009 - 5:38 PM
- - lagos   You need a four wheel drive trans to swap a 3sgte?...   Oct 10, 2009 - 7:44 PM
- - OOBE   youseman, no offense but you cannot expect anyone ...   Oct 11, 2009 - 1:38 AM
- - youseman   oobe, why don't you try running a high boost a...   Oct 11, 2009 - 5:00 AM
- - OOBE   Getting compressor surge has as much to do with bo...   Oct 11, 2009 - 10:43 AM
- - youseman   I read that overboosting was wastegate related at ...   Oct 11, 2009 - 1:10 PM
- - delusionz   hes right youseman, you are using the term overboo...   Oct 11, 2009 - 3:10 PM
- - Rusty   nice bits of info, just wondering though, if anyon...   Oct 11, 2009 - 4:28 PM
- - youseman   ah touché, i was told overboosting was the turboch...   Oct 11, 2009 - 5:40 PM
|- - OOBE   QUOTE (youseman @ Oct 11, 2009 - 3:4...   Oct 11, 2009 - 9:52 PM
- - SwissFerdi   I think OOBE was being decently polite considering...   Oct 11, 2009 - 5:43 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE (youseman @ Oct 11, 2009 - 6:4...   Oct 11, 2009 - 6:07 PM
|- - OOBE   QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 11, 2009 - 4:07 P...   Oct 11, 2009 - 9:41 PM
- - FunkySR   Ha AH aHa. this is interesting. Tried and tested....   Oct 11, 2009 - 7:53 PM
- - youseman   i was refering to the post before i called him a j...   Oct 12, 2009 - 1:51 AM
- - youseman   im still doing my degree. i say disrespect me cos...   Oct 12, 2009 - 2:01 AM
- - OOBE   So what you're saying is that some text that y...   Oct 12, 2009 - 12:47 PM
- - OOBE   Anyway, back on topic. Continue with your "fi...   Oct 12, 2009 - 12:52 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE (youseman @ Oct 12, 2009 - 3:0...   Oct 12, 2009 - 1:03 PM
|- - SwissFerdi   QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 12, 2009 - 2:03 P...   Oct 12, 2009 - 2:28 PM
- - youseman   I spoke to my lecturer today, he maintains that ov...   Oct 13, 2009 - 1:50 PM


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