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> 4A-GE 20V + 6Speed + 1.8l displacement, omg, am I crazy only thining it? Advices please!!
post Oct 18, 2009 - 5:31 PM
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Hi there!
I'm sooo excited! I just read some info on the web about the last 4A-GE 20Valves built for some Corolla and thought this:

Is it possible swap a 4A-GE 20Valves (it doesn't matter if a Black or Silver top, the difference explained in the documents I read is not that much) into a Celica with the 6 speed manual gearbox made with some blacktop?

And secondly, is it possible and wise increase the displacement of the engine from 1.6l to 1.8l? If yes 'cause this doesn't give problems to the intake and this one is large enought to support 0.2l more, wich parts must be used? I mean, the only difference is the stroke so i need the 7A block or i can do that with something smaller?
 
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post Oct 24, 2009 - 7:39 PM
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^^^ GT Liftback: 2,580/2,640. That's dry weight. Add in all the fluids, and the weight goes up. Mine, with 3/4 of a tank of gas and my at 160 lbs, weighs 2,840. I had it weighed one day, that's how I know.

Back on topic for the thread, if the op isn't pulling a 5S out of the car but a 7A instead, the the 4A is the perfect candidate. I'm not sure about the whole 1.8 liter thing, not suer how that'll work out, but a 4A would be a drastic improvement. And with the 5S rated at 135 bhp, the 4A seems like an improvement over that to. Sheer numbers say so, anyway. I won't comment on the street driveability, since I've never driven anything with a 4A. The 4A is certainly lighter than the 5S, at any rate.


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post Nov 3, 2009 - 3:37 AM
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QUOTE (richee3 @ Oct 24, 2009 - 8:39 PM) *
^^^ GT Liftback: 2,580/2,640. That's dry weight. Add in all the fluids, and the weight goes up. Mine, with 3/4 of a tank of gas and my at 160 lbs, weighs 2,840. I had it weighed one day, that's how I know.


Curb weight includes all fluids and a full tank of gas, hence the term "curb" weight, i.e. the car is ready to be driven. Last time I checked any car around 2500 lbs or less is considered pretty dang light. The 8th gen civics weigh >3000 lbs, as do preludes from the late '90s.

To everyone saying the 4age doesn't belong in the "fat" 6th gen celica:
The curb weight of an AE86 corolla gt-s hatch is ~2300 lbs. The curb weight of an AT200 celica ST is 2415. The 4age should theoretically perform pretty decent in a 6g celica.

Also keep in mind that the 4age weighs significantly less than the 7afe, so the actual weight of a celica with a 4age swap should be around <2350 lbs.

The only reason the GT hatch is heavier than the ST hatch is because the 5sfe is a fat pig of an engine.

This post has been edited by flyinglizard: Nov 3, 2009 - 2:39 PM

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- Demios   4A-GE 20V + 6Speed + 1.8l displacement   Oct 18, 2009 - 5:31 PM
- - nik   yes all this can be done its been done before we...   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:32 AM
- - Demios   Yes, i read the topics, and saw the 20v in the eng...   Oct 19, 2009 - 11:27 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE (Demios @ Oct 19, 2009 - 9:27 ...   Oct 19, 2009 - 3:10 PM
- - playr158   most swaps are done with the 5spd (C56?! trans...   Oct 19, 2009 - 2:20 PM
- - delusionz   4age is good in a small car like a Levin, But is p...   Oct 19, 2009 - 9:01 PM
|- - soulshadow   QUOTE (delusionz @ Oct 19, 2009 - 9...   Oct 20, 2009 - 1:39 AM
|- - Kiamycelica   QUOTE (soulshadow @ Oct 20, 2009 - 1...   Oct 22, 2009 - 3:34 PM
- - bdub215   how about a 2zz?? its about the same price as a bl...   Oct 20, 2009 - 11:20 PM
- - delusionz   http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1311...   Oct 21, 2009 - 5:27 AM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE (delusionz @ Oct 21, 2009 - 3...   Oct 21, 2009 - 8:26 PM
- - 97lestyousay   I wonder sometimes how many people have ever even ...   Oct 21, 2009 - 8:48 AM
- - delusionz   What are you trying to say? The guy has a GT, a 4a...   Oct 21, 2009 - 10:21 AM
- - 97lestyousay   I was reading about a guy wanting to swap a 4a and...   Oct 21, 2009 - 5:24 PM
- - delusionz   I'm trying to say I don't see why anyone w...   Oct 21, 2009 - 5:45 PM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE (delusionz @ Oct 21, 2009 - 3...   Oct 21, 2009 - 8:20 PM
- - delusionz   EDIT: You might as well get new dials which places...   Oct 21, 2009 - 5:48 PM
- - devilsden97   so much LOL in this thread.   Oct 21, 2009 - 8:46 PM
- - delusionz   5sfe where it says GT hatchback. I don't know ...   Oct 21, 2009 - 10:42 PM
- - 97lestyousay   Some people do own more than one Celica. I wouldn...   Oct 21, 2009 - 11:07 PM
- - Kwanza26   20V will pwn a 5SFE in a race... yeah... I had bot...   Oct 21, 2009 - 11:16 PM
|- - bdub215   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 22, 2009 - 12...   Oct 21, 2009 - 11:27 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (bdub215 @ Oct 22, 2009 - 4:27...   Oct 21, 2009 - 11:32 PM
|- - bdub215   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 22, 2009 - 12...   Oct 21, 2009 - 11:35 PM
- - delusionz   You're the first to mention racing, I agree th...   Oct 21, 2009 - 11:49 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (delusionz @ Oct 22, 2009 - 5...   Oct 22, 2009 - 1:47 AM
- - 97lestyousay   Good for the corolla unless my mom is in it with m...   Oct 22, 2009 - 1:25 AM
- - delusionz   I've driven cars you'll never have in the ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 5:20 AM
- - Demios   I can't see the point of soo many answers.... ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 5:35 AM
- - delusionz   Scream yes, Go fast -- Thats subjective. Fast to S...   Oct 22, 2009 - 5:49 AM
|- - Demios   QUOTE (delusionz @ Oct 22, 2009 - 12...   Oct 22, 2009 - 5:53 AM
- - Demios   QUOTE (nik @ Oct 19, 2009 - 10:10 PM...   Oct 22, 2009 - 5:49 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE (Demios @ Oct 22, 2009 - 3:49 ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 12:21 PM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE (nik @ Oct 22, 2009 - 10:21 AM...   Oct 25, 2009 - 1:20 AM
- - delusionz   My GT4 is my daily driver, I don't use 300bhp ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 6:05 AM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (delusionz @ Oct 22, 2009 - 7...   Oct 24, 2009 - 11:06 AM
- - Demios   i cant afford that...so a 4A-GE to me its fine...s...   Oct 22, 2009 - 9:42 AM
- - terbear4god4life   QUOTE (Kiamycelica @ Oct 23, 2009 - 11...   Oct 24, 2009 - 11:45 AM
- - SwissFerdi   I'd really like to know how the number was obt...   Oct 24, 2009 - 12:24 PM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Oct 24, 2009 - 10...   Oct 24, 2009 - 6:39 PM
- - Stambo   QUOTE (Demios @ Oct 22, 2009 - 9:42 ...   Oct 24, 2009 - 12:36 PM
- - richee3   ^^^ GT Liftback: 2,580/2,640. That's dry weigh...   Oct 24, 2009 - 7:39 PM
|- - flyinglizard   QUOTE (richee3 @ Oct 24, 2009 - 8:39...   Nov 3, 2009 - 3:37 AM
- - soulshadow   You know if you gutted everything in the Celi it w...   Oct 25, 2009 - 1:21 AM
- - TiGZ461   GT-S specifications * Chassis Code: AE86 (AE8...   Oct 25, 2009 - 2:24 AM
- - Stambo   because everyone will say the 3sgte is better, whi...   Oct 26, 2009 - 8:14 AM
- - Demios   The 7A-FE Celica is not that heavy...In opposition...   Oct 26, 2009 - 9:45 AM
- - TiGZ461   Same^ Would be cool to have 300whp+ but rea...   Oct 26, 2009 - 3:28 PM
- - Promasta   QUOTE (richee3 @ Oct 24, 2009 - 8:39...   Oct 26, 2009 - 4:24 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (Promasta @ Oct 26, 2009 - 5:2...   Oct 28, 2009 - 10:28 PM
- - TiGZ461   delusionz any info on the weight matter I stated a...   Oct 28, 2009 - 7:51 AM
- - Demios   I will repeat it for the last time and I hope ever...   Oct 28, 2009 - 3:33 PM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE (Demios @ Oct 28, 2009 - 1:33 ...   Oct 28, 2009 - 11:48 PM
|- - Demios   QUOTE (97lestyousay @ Oct 29, 2009 - 6...   Oct 29, 2009 - 9:39 AM
- - nik   here are a couple pics of my 7agte before the mani...   Oct 28, 2009 - 4:57 PM
- - TiGZ461   nik did you ever try the 7a -ge in its stock form ...   Oct 29, 2009 - 1:22 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE (TiGZ461 @ Oct 28, 2009 - 11:2...   Oct 29, 2009 - 2:44 PM
- - nik   this is my last reply on this topic 20v head will...   Oct 29, 2009 - 2:49 PM
- - TiGZ461   nik I know you said you wouldn't post on this ...   Oct 31, 2009 - 5:07 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE (TiGZ461 @ Oct 31, 2009 - 3:07...   Nov 2, 2009 - 1:22 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   oh ok i see the difference know. the gt celica has...   Nov 2, 2009 - 2:30 PM
- - terbear4god4life   my 94 gt coupe i weighed at 2800 had just me in it...   Nov 2, 2009 - 4:43 PM
- - CelicaST_CALI   I never thought id see the day someone calls the c...   Nov 2, 2009 - 10:59 PM
- - BeefyT   what about the FA 4age that revs at 12k hehe   Nov 7, 2009 - 6:59 PM
- - Demios   lols i'd swap it in a moment if i can buy XD b...   Nov 12, 2009 - 9:45 AM
- - delusionz   According to - http://www.cars-directory.net/specs...   Nov 18, 2009 - 3:14 AM
- - SwissFerdi   3274 pounds is EXTREMELY heavy, I doubt even a GT-...   Nov 18, 2009 - 4:31 PM
- - delusionz   My GT4 weighs 1665 kilograms = 3 670.69667 pounds   Nov 18, 2009 - 11:28 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   what no way the gt-4 weighs in at 3036 pounds. tha...   Dec 22, 2009 - 11:40 AM


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