Torque and maybe swap, kinda long sorry bout that Options

[6G96GT]

So, I am wondering what torque gains/losses would I see for the following on my current 5sfe;

Performance Header (ported with head to match flow characteristics)
Stock piping diameter from front to back but with a High Flow Cat and with a Performance Resonator
SRI with Perf. Filter
Webcams 294 grind (mild option)

I am wondering because I am trying to figure out how much torque I should have vs the stock torque of a 3sge engine.

My mech. friend has made an offer I cannot refuse but I want to see if it's worth it or not. My 5sfe engine is in excellent shape and I had a lot of work done to it probably equaling around 5G's this summer. Anyway, my friend offered to fully swap my 5sfe out for a purchased (by me) 3sge including all of the modding and wiring work necessary along with the tranny, ecu, and wiring work for the completed swap.

How much torque does a 3rd gen JDM 3sge engine have? This is what I am looking at buying with the amount and who it'll be bought from:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...#ht_1651wt_1167

I know the bid ended but he has informed me that they have many, many more. The good thing about this place is they take a video of the actual engine showing the ID numbers in the video and do a compression test on that actual engine in the video and then send that engine to you.

This post has been edited by 6G96GT: Dec 2, 2009 - 11:06 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

if i were you i wouldnt spend any more money on the 5sfe. just not worth it to me and you wont get much power from it.

3rd gen 3sge JDM has 178 hp at 7,000 rpm with 142 ft-lb torque
4th gen 3sge Beams Redtop JDM only has 197 hp at 7,000 rpm with 152 ft-lb torque.

getting parts and mods for the 3rd gen will be alot easier to find then getting 4th gen 3sge Beams Redtop.

one thing that puzzles me is why the 4th gen 3sge only redlines to 7,000 rpm. It doesnt make any sense at all. I mean the 3rd gen revs to 7,000. So that should make the 4th gen rev to at least 7,500 rpm.

[trdproven]

if i were you i wouldnt spend any more money on the 5sfe. just not worth it to me and you wont get much power from it.

3rd gen 3sge JDM has 178 hp at 7,000 rpm with 142 ft-lb torque
4th gen 3sge Beams Redtop JDM only has 197 hp at 7,000 rpm with 152 ft-lb torque.

getting parts and mods for the 3rd gen will be alot easier to find then getting 4th gen 3sge Beams Redtop.

one thing that puzzles me is why the 4th gen 3sge only redlines to 7,000 rpm. It doesnt make any sense at all. I mean the 3rd gen revs to 7,000. So that should make the 4th gen rev to at least 7,500 rpm.

Biggest problem with the beams is hard to find parts from aftermarket to OEM. Usually all you get is going through ebay and buying the whole clip but getting the specific parts are hard especially since it was a rare engine. The 3sge motor shares alot with this vvti version but still there are some differences that you hope doesn't have problems in the long run. Commonly found parts are for the regular 3sge and 3sgte but then again if you want NA power then you could spend a little time and money on a V6 motor that still has parts support from the dealer or remanufactured companies. I believe there is only one way to truly build the celica, get your moneys worth or not waste money, and not waste time and energy, and that is to turbo it. Unless that is too much money and time, then just put intake, plugs, wires, cams, headers, exhaust, port polish, clutch, flywheel, ignition upgrade and tune your 5sfe, that should make you happy enough if you wanted the cheapest NA.

When you buy a clip you don't just drop it in and youre done, there troubleshooting costs, parts replacement cost, top rebuild, gaskets, everything change, and you still didn't even get the bolt on upgrades yet. With a motor swap, look to spend between 5-8 grand and more if you are not doing the labor.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Dec 3, 2009 - 11:46 PM