Torque and maybe swap, kinda long sorry bout that Options

[6G96GT]

So, I am wondering what torque gains/losses would I see for the following on my current 5sfe;

Performance Header (ported with head to match flow characteristics)
Stock piping diameter from front to back but with a High Flow Cat and with a Performance Resonator
SRI with Perf. Filter
Webcams 294 grind (mild option)

I am wondering because I am trying to figure out how much torque I should have vs the stock torque of a 3sge engine.

My mech. friend has made an offer I cannot refuse but I want to see if it's worth it or not. My 5sfe engine is in excellent shape and I had a lot of work done to it probably equaling around 5G's this summer. Anyway, my friend offered to fully swap my 5sfe out for a purchased (by me) 3sge including all of the modding and wiring work necessary along with the tranny, ecu, and wiring work for the completed swap.

How much torque does a 3rd gen JDM 3sge engine have? This is what I am looking at buying with the amount and who it'll be bought from:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...#ht_1651wt_1167

I know the bid ended but he has informed me that they have many, many more. The good thing about this place is they take a video of the actual engine showing the ID numbers in the video and do a compression test on that actual engine in the video and then send that engine to you.

This post has been edited by 6G96GT: Dec 2, 2009 - 11:06 PM

[6G96GT]

Good to know TRD. I had a nasty built up turbo car before. It was an eagle talon awd tsi. I dumped 12G's into just the engine and had it fully built with all the best goods. It was running around 25 psi and I had a high end stand alone management system for it. I had it tuned and everything. I spent more money on that car and I ended up selling it for 5G with a blown head gasket only 2 years after building it. The head gasket was a cometic one with APR head studs. Anyway, I love turbo cars (from the factory) BUT I will never put money into a turbo setup again (the talon was already a turbo car).

My celica has only run me 1/2 the cost of the talon and it is way more dependable. It runs very well and I thoroughly like it. I know I can get the swap done for less then you have mentioned. My friend is a diesel tractor mechanic and works on sports cars of all kinds on his free time. He owes me a massive favor and has offered to do the swap for me free as I mentioned. He also gets really good deals on parts and I can even get new parts from my cousin (who owns his own garage) at 0 mark up.

If the 3sge gets me more power from the get go, then I would just do exactly what you wrote: I'd probably do a port/polish on the head with an intake and full exhaust set up, then add cams and tune it. I can't see how difficult that would be and I think I'd be over the 200 hp mark (with a 173 bhp 3sge) and maybe upto 160 foot per pound torque, maybe more? That would be great for me.

This post has been edited by 6G96GT: Dec 4, 2009 - 2:58 PM

[presure2]

Good to know TRD. I had a nasty built up turbo car before. It was an eagle talon awd tsi. I dumped 12G's into just the engine and had it fully built with all the best goods. It was running around 25 psi and I had a high end stand alone management system for it. I had it tuned and everything. I spent more money on that car and I ended up selling it for 5G with a blown head gasket only 2 years after building it. The head gasket was a cometic one with APR head studs. Anyway, I love turbo cars (from the factory) BUT I will never put money into a turbo setup again (the talon was already a turbo car).

My celica has only run me 1/2 the cost of the talon and it is way more dependable. It runs very well and I thoroughly like it. I know I can get the swap done for less then you have mentioned. My friend is a diesel tractor mechanic and works on sports cars of all kinds on his free time. He owes me a massive favor and has offered to do the swap for me free as I mentioned. He also gets really good deals on parts and I can even get new parts from my cousin (who owns his own garage) at 0 mark up.

If the 3sge gets me more power from the get go, then I would just do exactly what you wrote: I'd probably do a port/polish on the head with an intake and full exhaust set up, then add cams and tune it. I can't see how difficult that would be and I think I'd be over the 200 hp mark (with a 173 bhp 3sge) and maybe upto 160 foot per pound torque, maybe more? That would be great for me.

the 3sge makes a great daily driver car, thats kinda quick on the top end.
if you want a swap that will has potential to make GREAT power, will easily make 225+whp in stock form, and be 100% factory reliable, just quit playing around, and go 3rd gen 3sgte.
the beams, and 3rd gen 3sgte are the 2 easiest swaps into a 6th gen GT, IMO. there are only a hand full of wires for the wireing, the mounts bolt right up, and all the plugs just plug right in.
the 3rd gen 3sgte in stock form makes 250+hp, (flywheel) and with an intake and exhaust will easily make 300whp without hitting fuel cut in a celica.
you could drive a 3rd gen 3s around for YEARS at 15+ Psi, without any problems, just change the oil, and do your matinence like you would with any other motor. no need for any sort of build, or tuning, or any of that, either.
also,..if your looking for low end tq, that is NOT the 3sge strong suit. that motor is definetly made to rev high.