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post Dec 28, 2009 - 6:50 AM
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Ok, so I just found out that VVT-i was like dual variable valve timing for HP and TQ. So anyone know how this is beneficial or worse in let's say a 3sgte engine? As I am aware there is a 4th gen engine that has this VVT-i technology (I think).

(I had made a n00b out of myself with the original posting, so I made this thread up to make up for it in another n00bish fashion, but with more to gain from it than my original thread, so my bad.)

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post Dec 28, 2009 - 5:29 PM
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They help overall efficiency. Power, fuel economy, emissions. There's not a whole lot of power to be gained. VTEC is essentially the same thing. Both are timing controllers.


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post Dec 28, 2009 - 7:03 PM
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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2:29 PM) *
They help overall efficiency. Power, fuel economy, emissions. There's not a whole lot of power to be gained. VTEC is essentially the same thing. Both are timing controllers.



Oh ok, but don't all variable valve timing on engine by different make have essentially a specific design that separates them? I am certain most of you are saying "Faust! Read on it foo!" but this is just for discussion sake. Because as I said, I failed big time on the original thread and so I just put this up instead. Otherwise I would have just deleted this thread if I had the ability to.

Like, for instance, if VVT-i were included in a newer 3sgte engine, would anyone be interested in that? Just going off of what they know about the 3sgte, and what they know about VVT-i and it's properties.

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post Dec 28, 2009 - 8:09 PM
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QUOTE (Random_Stranger @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2:29 PM) *
They help overall efficiency. Power, fuel economy, emissions. There's not a whole lot of power to be gained. VTEC is essentially the same thing. Both are timing controllers.



Oh ok, but don't all variable valve timing on engine by different make have essentially a specific design that separates them? I am certain most of you are saying "Faust! Read on it foo!" but this is just for discussion sake. Because as I said, I failed big time on the original thread and so I just put this up instead. Otherwise I would have just deleted this thread if I had the ability to.

Like, for instance, if VVT-i were included in a newer 3sgte engine, would anyone be interested in that? Just going off of what they know about the 3sgte, and what they know about VVT-i and it's properties.



vvti doesn't really help with turbo charge engines because under boost the air restriction bottle neck would be lessened. VVTi was orginally created to help all motor engine breath better while maintaining torque. This is the same reason why you dont see motorcycle engines with vvti. They don't need torque so everything part of that engine can be geared towards reving up and making a ton of horse power.

Reving a turbo charge engine that high is simply not a good idea.

To really beat a dead horse, vvt was design for all motor engines to shift the power band higher into the RPM range with out the consequences of no torque, bad idle, bad fuel economy.
post Dec 29, 2009 - 1:45 AM
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QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 2:09 PM) *
vvti doesn't really help with turbo charge engines because under boost the air restriction bottle neck would be lessened. VVTi was orginally created to help all motor engine breath better while maintaining torque. This is the same reason why you dont see motorcycle engines with vvti. They don't need torque so everything part of that engine can be geared towards reving up and making a ton of horse power.

Reving a turbo charge engine that high is simply not a good idea.

To really beat a dead horse, vvt was design for all motor engines to shift the power band higher into the RPM range with out the consequences of no torque, bad idle, bad fuel economy.


did you hear about the tom's tuned altezza came out blacktop VVTi 3S-GE+T , only 100 where made smile.gif (came out with heaps of toms stuff like ecu airfilter suspension exhaust and among other things) there is also a 3S-GZE (blitz supecharger)

or the updated 1jzgte (vvti turbo) or 2jz-gte (vvti turbo)



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post Dec 29, 2009 - 3:32 AM
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QUOTE (Rusty @ Dec 28, 2009 - 10:45 PM) *
QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 2:09 PM) *
vvti doesn't really help with turbo charge engines because under boost the air restriction bottle neck would be lessened. VVTi was orginally created to help all motor engine breath better while maintaining torque. This is the same reason why you dont see motorcycle engines with vvti. They don't need torque so everything part of that engine can be geared towards reving up and making a ton of horse power.

Reving a turbo charge engine that high is simply not a good idea.

To really beat a dead horse, vvt was design for all motor engines to shift the power band higher into the RPM range with out the consequences of no torque, bad idle, bad fuel economy.


did you hear about the tom's tuned altezza came out blacktop VVTi 3S-GE+T , only 100 where made smile.gif (came out with heaps of toms stuff like ecu airfilter suspension exhaust and among other things) there is also a 3S-GZE (blitz supecharger)

or the updated 1jzgte (vvti turbo) or 2jz-gte (vvti turbo)





Sweet find! Any specs?


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Posts in this topic
- Random_Stranger   Benefits of going VVT-i?   Dec 28, 2009 - 6:50 AM
- - Supersprynt   It helps in creating the most efficient timing ove...   Dec 28, 2009 - 10:03 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   Actually the 4th gen 3sgte that came in caldina st...   Dec 28, 2009 - 12:21 PM
- - 96bluevert   ^^What he said. Only the BEAMS 3sge had VVT-i in t...   Dec 28, 2009 - 2:39 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (96bluevert @ Dec 28, 2009 - 11...   Dec 28, 2009 - 4:54 PM
- - Supersprynt   Yes, the black-top Altezza beams had dual (intake ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:05 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:25 PM
- - manphibian   As i understand it, variable valve timing is more ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:10 PM
- - Supersprynt   They help overall efficiency. Power, fuel economy,...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:29 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:03 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (Random_Stranger @ Dec 28, 2009 - ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 8:09 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 28, 2009 - 8:09 P...   Dec 28, 2009 - 10:02 PM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 2:09 P...   Dec 29, 2009 - 1:45 AM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Rusty @ Dec 28, 2009 - 10:45 ...   Dec 29, 2009 - 3:32 AM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE (Random_Stranger @ Dec 29, 2009 - ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 3:07 AM
|- - Edophus   to get your head round what vvti brings its worth ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 4:33 AM
- - HaysoosKreesto   I would be quite interested if they ever came out ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:38 PM
- - Supersprynt   They're not exactly the same, but they are the...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:49 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:56 PM
- - Hanyo   QUOTE (manphibian @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 8:03 PM
|- - hatchy_gt-s   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 1:03 A...   Dec 29, 2009 - 3:45 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (hatchy_gt-s @ Dec 29, 2009 ...   Dec 29, 2009 - 6:13 PM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4...   Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 PM
|- - hatchy_gt-s   QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 29, 2009 - 11:33 ...   Dec 30, 2009 - 1:01 AM
||- - Smaay   QUOTE (hatchy_gt-s @ Dec 29, 2009 ...   Jan 6, 2010 - 3:20 PM
|- - HaysoosKreesto   QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 P...   Dec 30, 2009 - 3:13 AM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (HaysoosKreesto @ Dec 30, 2009 - 4...   Dec 30, 2009 - 6:38 PM
- - Random_Stranger   ^^^ That's a fast frigging 7th gen   Dec 29, 2009 - 7:16 PM
- - blu94gt   A couple different people have hit the answer. VV...   Dec 30, 2009 - 1:59 AM
- - hatchy_gt-s   ^ once again no it was the elise in 2004   Jan 7, 2010 - 12:14 AM
- - garin   QUOTE (garin @ Jan 7, 2010 - 12:11 A...   Jan 7, 2010 - 12:21 AM
- - nics   http://www.youtube.com/user/magusownz#p/u/47/2vfxn...   Jan 7, 2010 - 2:35 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   very good info Edophus. And it would be more like ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:33 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 4...   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:41 AM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 8...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:08 PM
|- - HaysoosKreesto   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Jan 8, 2010 - 4:08 PM...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:20 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   reply to my long question plz   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:48 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 4...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:15 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm ok i see. Ill just have to ask at the next typ...   Jan 8, 2010 - 12:05 PM
- - Rusty   I dont know Hanyo UK spec ST202 with the 3gen 3sge...   Jan 8, 2010 - 11:53 PM


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