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post Dec 28, 2009 - 6:50 AM
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Ok, so I just found out that VVT-i was like dual variable valve timing for HP and TQ. So anyone know how this is beneficial or worse in let's say a 3sgte engine? As I am aware there is a 4th gen engine that has this VVT-i technology (I think).

(I had made a n00b out of myself with the original posting, so I made this thread up to make up for it in another n00bish fashion, but with more to gain from it than my original thread, so my bad.)

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post Dec 28, 2009 - 8:03 PM
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QUOTE (manphibian @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2:10 PM) *
As i understand it, variable valve timing is more about emmisions and economy than it is performance......



that is not entirely true.

vvti is only for emissions on the eco box motors aka 1zfe.

But once you get into the IS-F engine, you will get vvt for horse power.


post Dec 29, 2009 - 3:45 PM
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QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 1:03 AM) *
QUOTE (manphibian @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2:10 PM) *
As i understand it, variable valve timing is more about emmisions and economy than it is performance......



that is not entirely true.

vvti is only for emissions on the eco box motors aka 1zfe.

But once you get into the IS-F engine, you will get vvt for horse power.


acually the IS-F has vvtli so it controlls lift allowing it to reach higher rpms due to increased valve lash. the 1zz uses vvti and the 2zz (found in 7th gen GT-S celicas) have vvtli, that is why you hear them say "I'm hittin lift"(worse saying ever). BUT none of this is useful without high compression ie the 1zz and 2zz have 10.5/11.5to1 comp. and the 4age 20v came with vvt(vacuum opp.) also high comp.
post Dec 29, 2009 - 6:13 PM
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QUOTE (hatchy_gt-s @ Dec 29, 2009 - 12:45 PM) *
QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 1:03 AM) *
QUOTE (manphibian @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2:10 PM) *
As i understand it, variable valve timing is more about emmisions and economy than it is performance......



that is not entirely true.

vvti is only for emissions on the eco box motors aka 1zfe.

But once you get into the IS-F engine, you will get vvt for horse power.


acually the IS-F has vvtli so it controlls lift allowing it to reach higher rpms due to increased valve lash. the 1zz uses vvti and the 2zz (found in 7th gen GT-S celicas) have vvtli, that is why you hear them say "I'm hittin lift"(worse saying ever). BUT none of this is useful without high compression ie the 1zz and 2zz have 10.5/11.5to1 comp. and the 4age 20v came with vvt(vacuum opp.) also high comp.



i was just generalizing variable valve timing and wrapping up the entire valve timing in a short phrase of vvt; because what i said applies to vtechi and nvcs and what ever those crazy manufactures want to call it.

vvt is some fancy technology. nissan's nvcs variable valve timing was able to use the valves it self to control the engine removing the need for a throttle body.

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Posts in this topic
- Random_Stranger   Benefits of going VVT-i?   Dec 28, 2009 - 6:50 AM
- - Supersprynt   It helps in creating the most efficient timing ove...   Dec 28, 2009 - 10:03 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   Actually the 4th gen 3sgte that came in caldina st...   Dec 28, 2009 - 12:21 PM
- - 96bluevert   ^^What he said. Only the BEAMS 3sge had VVT-i in t...   Dec 28, 2009 - 2:39 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (96bluevert @ Dec 28, 2009 - 11...   Dec 28, 2009 - 4:54 PM
- - Supersprynt   Yes, the black-top Altezza beams had dual (intake ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:05 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:25 PM
- - manphibian   As i understand it, variable valve timing is more ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:10 PM
- - Supersprynt   They help overall efficiency. Power, fuel economy,...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:29 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:03 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (Random_Stranger @ Dec 28, 2009 - ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 8:09 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 28, 2009 - 8:09 P...   Dec 28, 2009 - 10:02 PM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 2:09 P...   Dec 29, 2009 - 1:45 AM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Rusty @ Dec 28, 2009 - 10:45 ...   Dec 29, 2009 - 3:32 AM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE (Random_Stranger @ Dec 29, 2009 - ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 3:07 AM
|- - Edophus   to get your head round what vvti brings its worth ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 4:33 AM
- - HaysoosKreesto   I would be quite interested if they ever came out ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:38 PM
- - Supersprynt   They're not exactly the same, but they are the...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:49 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:56 PM
- - Hanyo   QUOTE (manphibian @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 8:03 PM
|- - hatchy_gt-s   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 1:03 A...   Dec 29, 2009 - 3:45 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (hatchy_gt-s @ Dec 29, 2009 ...   Dec 29, 2009 - 6:13 PM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4...   Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 PM
|- - hatchy_gt-s   QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 29, 2009 - 11:33 ...   Dec 30, 2009 - 1:01 AM
||- - Smaay   QUOTE (hatchy_gt-s @ Dec 29, 2009 ...   Jan 6, 2010 - 3:20 PM
|- - HaysoosKreesto   QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 P...   Dec 30, 2009 - 3:13 AM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (HaysoosKreesto @ Dec 30, 2009 - 4...   Dec 30, 2009 - 6:38 PM
- - Random_Stranger   ^^^ That's a fast frigging 7th gen   Dec 29, 2009 - 7:16 PM
- - blu94gt   A couple different people have hit the answer. VV...   Dec 30, 2009 - 1:59 AM
- - hatchy_gt-s   ^ once again no it was the elise in 2004   Jan 7, 2010 - 12:14 AM
- - garin   QUOTE (garin @ Jan 7, 2010 - 12:11 A...   Jan 7, 2010 - 12:21 AM
- - nics   http://www.youtube.com/user/magusownz#p/u/47/2vfxn...   Jan 7, 2010 - 2:35 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   very good info Edophus. And it would be more like ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:33 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 4...   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:41 AM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 8...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:08 PM
|- - HaysoosKreesto   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Jan 8, 2010 - 4:08 PM...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:20 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   reply to my long question plz   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:48 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 4...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:15 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm ok i see. Ill just have to ask at the next typ...   Jan 8, 2010 - 12:05 PM
- - Rusty   I dont know Hanyo UK spec ST202 with the 3gen 3sge...   Jan 8, 2010 - 11:53 PM


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