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post Dec 28, 2009 - 6:50 AM
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Ok, so I just found out that VVT-i was like dual variable valve timing for HP and TQ. So anyone know how this is beneficial or worse in let's say a 3sgte engine? As I am aware there is a 4th gen engine that has this VVT-i technology (I think).

(I had made a n00b out of myself with the original posting, so I made this thread up to make up for it in another n00bish fashion, but with more to gain from it than my original thread, so my bad.)

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post Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 PM
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QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4:49 PM) *
They're not exactly the same, but they are the same concept. VVTi is now VVTLi - which includes lift and can be found on most Toyota motors.



the only engine with Lift is the 2ZZ-GE in the 7th gen celica.


and you guys have no clue about VVT. yes economy is part of the reason for it, but VVT allows the cams to adjust to maintain a flat torque curve thus the horsepower to rise. goto newcelica.org and look at all the dyno sheets posted. horsepower just keeps climbing and torque remains flat. look at a car like the 3S-GTE. both curves rise then reack peak and fall off. which is why people changes cams. so those curves can be shifted. the benifits of VVT is that with some ECUs and piggyback you can adjust the valve timing making more power. let me give you an example.....in my 7th gen celica. i was making about 415 HP under 25psi. once we started adjusting the VVT tuning. i made over 130HP giving me 545HP.

VVT has amazing possibilities. you just have to know how to harness it


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post Dec 30, 2009 - 3:13 AM
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 PM) *
QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4:49 PM) *
They're not exactly the same, but they are the same concept. VVTi is now VVTLi - which includes lift and can be found on most Toyota motors.



the only engine with Lift is the 2ZZ-GE in the 7th gen celica.


and you guys have no clue about VVT. yes economy is part of the reason for it, but VVT allows the cams to adjust to maintain a flat torque curve thus the horsepower to rise. goto newcelica.org and look at all the dyno sheets posted. horsepower just keeps climbing and torque remains flat. look at a car like the 3S-GTE. both curves rise then reack peak and fall off. which is why people changes cams. so those curves can be shifted. the benifits of VVT is that with some ECUs and piggyback you can adjust the valve timing making more power. let me give you an example.....in my 7th gen celica. i was making about 415 HP under 25psi. once we started adjusting the VVT tuning. i made over 130HP giving me 545HP.

VVT has amazing possibilities. you just have to know how to harness it

Out of curiosity, how do you keep your tires from spinning? As I understand it, anything above 300 hp is bad tire spin for FWD.


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post Dec 30, 2009 - 6:38 PM
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QUOTE (HaysoosKreesto @ Dec 30, 2009 - 4:13 AM) *
Out of curiosity, how do you keep your tires from spinning? As I understand it, anything above 300 hp is bad tire spin for FWD.


Depends on the weight of the car. For example, a Nissan Maxima/Toyota Camry/any other full size FWD car like that wouldn't spin near as bad as a Celica. In the instance of a 6th gen Celica, you can put a limited slip tranny in the car to reduce wheel spin.

That's an awful lot of power though, and I would imagine wheel spin is unavoidable. It's just a matter of how best to reduce it.


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Posts in this topic
- Random_Stranger   Benefits of going VVT-i?   Dec 28, 2009 - 6:50 AM
- - Supersprynt   It helps in creating the most efficient timing ove...   Dec 28, 2009 - 10:03 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   Actually the 4th gen 3sgte that came in caldina st...   Dec 28, 2009 - 12:21 PM
- - 96bluevert   ^^What he said. Only the BEAMS 3sge had VVT-i in t...   Dec 28, 2009 - 2:39 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (96bluevert @ Dec 28, 2009 - 11...   Dec 28, 2009 - 4:54 PM
- - Supersprynt   Yes, the black-top Altezza beams had dual (intake ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:05 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:25 PM
- - manphibian   As i understand it, variable valve timing is more ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:10 PM
- - Supersprynt   They help overall efficiency. Power, fuel economy,...   Dec 28, 2009 - 5:29 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:03 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (Random_Stranger @ Dec 28, 2009 - ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 8:09 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 28, 2009 - 8:09 P...   Dec 28, 2009 - 10:02 PM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 2:09 P...   Dec 29, 2009 - 1:45 AM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Rusty @ Dec 28, 2009 - 10:45 ...   Dec 29, 2009 - 3:32 AM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE (Random_Stranger @ Dec 29, 2009 - ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 3:07 AM
|- - Edophus   to get your head round what vvti brings its worth ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 4:33 AM
- - HaysoosKreesto   I would be quite interested if they ever came out ...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:38 PM
- - Supersprynt   They're not exactly the same, but they are the...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:49 PM
|- - Random_Stranger   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4...   Dec 28, 2009 - 7:56 PM
- - Hanyo   QUOTE (manphibian @ Dec 28, 2009 - 2...   Dec 28, 2009 - 8:03 PM
|- - hatchy_gt-s   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Dec 29, 2009 - 1:03 A...   Dec 29, 2009 - 3:45 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (hatchy_gt-s @ Dec 29, 2009 ...   Dec 29, 2009 - 6:13 PM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Dec 28, 2009 - 4...   Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 PM
|- - hatchy_gt-s   QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 29, 2009 - 11:33 ...   Dec 30, 2009 - 1:01 AM
||- - Smaay   QUOTE (hatchy_gt-s @ Dec 29, 2009 ...   Jan 6, 2010 - 3:20 PM
|- - HaysoosKreesto   QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 29, 2009 - 6:33 P...   Dec 30, 2009 - 3:13 AM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (HaysoosKreesto @ Dec 30, 2009 - 4...   Dec 30, 2009 - 6:38 PM
- - Random_Stranger   ^^^ That's a fast frigging 7th gen   Dec 29, 2009 - 7:16 PM
- - blu94gt   A couple different people have hit the answer. VV...   Dec 30, 2009 - 1:59 AM
- - hatchy_gt-s   ^ once again no it was the elise in 2004   Jan 7, 2010 - 12:14 AM
- - garin   QUOTE (garin @ Jan 7, 2010 - 12:11 A...   Jan 7, 2010 - 12:21 AM
- - nics   http://www.youtube.com/user/magusownz#p/u/47/2vfxn...   Jan 7, 2010 - 2:35 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   very good info Edophus. And it would be more like ...   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:33 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 4...   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:41 AM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 8...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:08 PM
|- - HaysoosKreesto   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Jan 8, 2010 - 4:08 PM...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:20 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   reply to my long question plz   Jan 7, 2010 - 11:48 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 7, 2010 - 4...   Jan 8, 2010 - 4:15 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm ok i see. Ill just have to ask at the next typ...   Jan 8, 2010 - 12:05 PM
- - Rusty   I dont know Hanyo UK spec ST202 with the 3gen 3sge...   Jan 8, 2010 - 11:53 PM


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