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post Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
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In Europe we also have celica's with Superstrut Suspension.
Thats wy i'm sharing this information!


The ST205 GT-Four uses a system of front suspension design unique to Toyota. It moves away from the MacPherson strut used on all other Celicas and is much more complex. This system is used on the GT-Four, some Japanese spec Corollas and the higher spec Japanese fwd Celicas (SSII and SSIII). It was available in Europe on the Carina GTi and was an option on the ST202 (thanks Dirk for the info).

My understanding of the system is that the geometry does not give the same camber and castor changes during cornering that occur with MacPherson strut. Is it better? Well, it is different. There are reliability problems if maintenance isn't kept up, TTE had continual problems and I believe they swapped the rally cars back to MacPherson strut.

A brief description of MacPherson strut is in order. The Toyota system uses a lower A arm with rubber bushings front and rear. This has only one degree of motion (ie. it rotates on the bushings). At the outer point of the A arm is a balljoint which connects to the steering knuckle and allows for rotation (steering) and pivot (shock compression). The steering knuckle is rigidly bolted to the bottom of the strut. The whole strut turns when steering, twisting in the roller bearing in the top mount. Fairly simple and cheap, used by most manufacturers.

So what is Superstrut suspension? It is a hybrid between normal MacPherson strut and a multilink setup. One of the requirements of the design brief was that the system would fit existing suspension mount locations. Therefore the system can be fitted into export Celicas as well as the Japanese lower spec SSI! The late production cars even share the same subframe.

The photo below shows the lower part of the system. This consists of a front and rear lower arm, connected (by rodends) to a connector plate. The rear arm has a rubber bushing at the inner end (the only rubber bushing at the front except swaybar D-bushings), the front arm has a balljoint. This system allows the arms to pivot as the suspension turns.

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The steering knuckle is quite different to that of the MacPherson strut cars. It bolts securely to the connector plate joining the lower arms (see photo below). The top end connects to the strut part way up using a balljoint (see red arrow in left picture and upper arrow in right picture below. The strut mounts to the body in the normal way, but the lower end is secured to the front lower arm using another pivoting arm visible at the right in the photo above. This arm is near vertical in the photos, it is actually about 150mm long and pivots at each end.

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The photo of the assembled suspension below shows that the strut rotates minimally when steering ( the same amount as the front lower arm as it is rigidly connected). The steering knuckle moves instead. While the outboard strut moves rearwards slightly when the car turns in (turning left in the photo), it can be seen that the hub moves forward. But because of the strut movement the actual movement at the wheel is minimised.

The second photo shows the mounting points for the lower arms on the subframe.

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All the info from: gtfour.supras.org.nz
 
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post Mar 10, 2010 - 11:59 PM
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^^ unless you have a SS-II 7gen celica +Z package (has superstrut) then you have superstrut in the front and double wishbone in the back.

also is there a diffrence between your ST204 and our ST202 tein coilovers?

I agree with Euphoria, it would be up to the drivers.

This post has been edited by Rusty: Mar 11, 2010 - 1:30 AM


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- celi94   Superstrut Suspension   Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
- - presure2   good stuff man!!   Aug 18, 2005 - 10:02 AM
- - Mr_E   Vote for sticky.   Aug 18, 2005 - 12:42 PM
- - G3D45   Great write-up, but how to determine, is my ST202 ...   Dec 29, 2006 - 3:49 AM
|- - doGGy   QUOTE(G3D45 @ Dec 29, 2006 - 1:49 AM...   Dec 29, 2006 - 9:15 AM
|- - Nibbe   QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 29, 2006 - 9:15 AM...   Dec 29, 2006 - 9:18 AM
|- - malpaso   QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 29, 2006 - 3:15 PM...   Dec 30, 2006 - 8:25 AM
|- - doGGy   QUOTE yea... Martin - we all know what you...   Dec 30, 2006 - 1:19 PM
|- - malpaso   QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 30, 2006 - 7:19 PM...   Jan 2, 2007 - 4:59 AM
- - Kadett   If you have 2piston Calipers in the front. Its SS ...   Dec 29, 2006 - 8:55 AM
- - Nibbe   Is it impossible to change superstrut to MacPherso...   Dec 29, 2006 - 9:14 AM
|- - doGGy   QUOTE(Nibbe @ Dec 29, 2006 - 7:14 AM...   Dec 29, 2006 - 9:18 AM
- - G3D45   I compared mine suspension with this one and I don...   Dec 30, 2006 - 6:30 AM
- - G3D45   I don't have such stick Maybe it was only on ...   Dec 30, 2006 - 11:27 AM
- - Nibbe   Btw i dont really know much about that ssI II III ...   Jan 1, 2007 - 11:30 AM
- - Kadett   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Celica....2819...   Jan 1, 2007 - 11:45 AM
|- - G3D45   QUOTE(Kadett @ Jan 1, 2007 - 6:45 PM...   Jan 1, 2007 - 12:34 PM
|- - doGGy   QUOTE(G3D45 @ Jan 1, 2007 - 10:34 AM...   Jan 1, 2007 - 12:43 PM
|- - G3D45   QUOTE(doGGy @ Jan 1, 2007 - 7:43 PM)...   Jan 1, 2007 - 3:56 PM
|- - Penkka   QUOTE(G3D45 @ Jan 1, 2007 - 3:56 PM)...   Dec 23, 2007 - 12:36 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (Penkka @ Dec 23, 2007 - 1:36 ...   Jul 11, 2008 - 5:54 PM
- - Kadett   Yup, Sportpackage or Sport Undercarriage its call...   Jan 1, 2007 - 12:58 PM
- - TomPoz   My GT was 94 from Switzerland - with SSS.   Jan 2, 2007 - 7:33 AM
- - doGGy   our biggest nightmare   Jan 4, 2007 - 3:30 PM
- - Edophus   Superstrut can be expensive to maintain but a celi...   Jan 4, 2007 - 8:13 PM
- - Alan   Hey guys hows it going does anyone have a problem ...   Nov 2, 2007 - 7:55 AM
- - playr158   anyone have part numbers for the various pieces i...   Nov 2, 2007 - 8:57 AM
- - Kadett   Thats normal Mcpherson Struts. Not SS struts.   Dec 5, 2007 - 7:43 AM
- - soven   The superstrut suspension feels heaps better than ...   Dec 27, 2007 - 12:34 AM
- - Penkka   Superstrut with all the part numbers Macpherson ...   Jan 17, 2008 - 3:03 PM
|- - lmac34   QUOTE (Penkka @ Jan 17, 2008 - 3:03 ...   Jul 10, 2008 - 5:56 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (lmac34 @ Jul 10, 2008 - 11:56...   Jul 13, 2008 - 3:11 PM
- - delusionz   The first thing I noticed going from SS-I to SS-II...   Jul 26, 2008 - 12:17 PM
- - Anabolik   I bought a rack with auction!   Jul 29, 2008 - 4:16 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   I bought from japan   Jul 29, 2008 - 9:10 AM
- - Anabolik   KYB we have not appreciated! Rapidly destroyed...   Jul 29, 2008 - 9:42 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   most of you were using inserts yes? and not the su...   Jul 29, 2008 - 5:47 PM
|- - Anabolik   QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jul 30, 2008 - 6...   Jul 29, 2008 - 10:33 PM
- - paul_gt4   without going and reading all the replies, my car ...   Jul 29, 2008 - 6:54 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   i duno about it being better handling man, compare...   Jul 29, 2008 - 10:08 PM
- - Rusty   QUOTE (delusionz)...Superslut... lol QUOTE I am s...   Jul 30, 2008 - 2:28 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   put in the kyb super special yesterday, and fnck m...   Jul 31, 2008 - 6:22 AM
|- - coneyre   QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jul 31, 2008 - 6...   Dec 4, 2008 - 7:13 AM
- - Rusty   load some pics up Mr Cuts   Jul 31, 2008 - 4:24 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   RE: Superstrut Suspension   Jul 31, 2008 - 4:29 PM
- - Rusty   Wow that was quick Very nice   Jul 31, 2008 - 4:30 PM
- - paul_gt4   QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jul 30, 2008 - 4...   Jul 31, 2008 - 6:58 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE (paul_gt4 @ Jul 29, 2008 - 6:5...   Dec 4, 2008 - 8:21 AM
- - GEpower   I love it that my new Celica has Superstrut. Howev...   Dec 4, 2008 - 8:49 AM
- - 97celiman   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut so ...   Dec 7, 2008 - 6:33 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   Coneyre I got them through a mate of mine who deal...   Dec 7, 2008 - 7:42 PM
- - WALKER   I think I was able to find the part numbers for th...   Mar 17, 2009 - 11:22 AM
- - yorkie   I have a 94 Superstrut Celica and as you have expl...   May 15, 2009 - 8:21 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   assuming you mean the fig 6 and the upper ball joi...   May 17, 2009 - 4:51 AM
- - Nial   I dont see the problem with superstrut suspension....   May 17, 2009 - 6:34 AM
- - kaz_st202   hi, having a huge problem. need to know if my car ...   Aug 21, 2009 - 3:08 PM
|- - Ronan   QUOTE (kaz_st202 @ Aug 21, 2009 - 9...   Aug 21, 2009 - 3:27 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (Ronan @ Aug 22, 2009 - 8:27 A...   Aug 21, 2009 - 7:50 PM
- - Tech-Nics   I head there is a difference in the suspension bet...   Aug 21, 2009 - 5:28 PM
|- - 95CelicaST   QUOTE (Tech-Nics @ Aug 21, 2009 - 3...   Aug 21, 2009 - 6:06 PM
- - 6gtfour   I'm sort of concerned since I've seen post...   Sep 15, 2009 - 7:33 PM
- - Rusty   of course you'd need to change all those thing...   Sep 16, 2009 - 1:16 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   alright guys so if you were to put up a celica wit...   Mar 10, 2010 - 1:38 AM
- - Euphoria   It would be very close, it would be more upto the ...   Mar 10, 2010 - 9:10 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   yes that is that the integra type r and ss-III cel...   Mar 10, 2010 - 3:16 PM
- - Rusty   ^^ unless you have a SS-II 7gen celica +Z package ...   Mar 10, 2010 - 11:59 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   yes ss-II 7th gen celicas do have double wishbone ...   Mar 11, 2010 - 12:27 AM
|- - Edophus   the best thing about superstrut, and what is misse...   Mar 11, 2010 - 5:32 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   oh really hmm now I kind of wish I had on my celic...   Mar 11, 2010 - 11:15 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 12, 2010 - 4...   Mar 12, 2010 - 5:06 AM
|- - Penkka   QUOTE (Edophus @ Mar 12, 2010 - 5:06...   Mar 12, 2010 - 7:51 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (Penkka @ Mar 12, 2010 - 12:51...   Mar 12, 2010 - 9:02 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   kinda bummed out that we don't have superstrut...   Mar 13, 2010 - 4:06 AM
- - delusionz   Dredging an old topic here, most of you guys are r...   Mar 13, 2010 - 2:10 PM
- - Rusty   might have more to do with the lsd?? could be goo...   Mar 13, 2010 - 11:21 PM
- - Euphoria   Yeah LSD has a massive difference for putting powe...   Mar 14, 2010 - 2:47 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   would it of been possible for toyota to put double...   Mar 19, 2010 - 2:14 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 19, 2010 - 7...   Mar 19, 2010 - 5:23 AM
- - delusionz   Very good illustration there, and a Celica with re...   Mar 19, 2010 - 3:30 PM
- - Rusty   ^ nope hes in UK, or there abouts (theres another ...   Mar 19, 2010 - 4:07 PM
- - Edophus   Uk for me, my ss3 was already in the country, i li...   Mar 19, 2010 - 4:38 PM
- - Rusty   you mean this part? QUOTE Includes helycal L.S.D. ...   Mar 19, 2010 - 4:53 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (Rusty @ Mar 19, 2010 - 9:53 P...   Mar 19, 2010 - 5:34 PM
|- - delusionz   QUOTE (Rusty @ Mar 20, 2010 - 10:53 ...   Mar 20, 2010 - 3:48 PM
|- - Rusty   QUOTE Except below model 93.10-99.9 3S-FE, 3S-...   Mar 20, 2010 - 10:44 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm good stuff edophus! the only way to get my...   Mar 19, 2010 - 9:13 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 20, 2010 - 2...   Mar 27, 2010 - 4:52 PM
- - Rusty   Stickies are your friend   Mar 19, 2010 - 9:52 PM
- - Euphoria   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 19, 2010 - 10...   Mar 20, 2010 - 7:52 AM
- - Euphoria   is super strut even in the rear? rear suspension...   Mar 21, 2010 - 11:25 PM
- - delusionz   The absorber assys have different part numbers. Po...   Mar 22, 2010 - 1:24 AM
- - Euphoria   Yeah Id say almost definitely stiffer springs/shoc...   Mar 22, 2010 - 7:26 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   pointless post also to the one below me   Mar 29, 2010 - 3:34 PM
|- - WALKER   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 29, 2010 - 2...   Mar 29, 2010 - 5:13 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 29, 2010 - 9...   Mar 31, 2010 - 10:06 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   ya man those are for the rear suspension, it clear...   Mar 29, 2010 - 10:05 PM
|- - WALKER   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 29, 2010 - 9...   Mar 29, 2010 - 11:10 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   oh ok, I get it it doesnt have any bushings on the...   Mar 31, 2010 - 11:14 AM
- - delusionz   I've read somewhere on the forums that the rea...   Mar 31, 2010 - 3:48 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   ok so you still haven't answered my question, ...   Apr 1, 2010 - 12:08 AM
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