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post Feb 2, 2010 - 12:14 AM
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So here's the story. As i was in the middle of upgrading my suspension from teins to even better teins, i had sheared one of the studs off of the TwosRUs links because it had fused with the sway bar. apparently links should always be greased up since they swivel and rub with the sway bar while going over bumps so i can imagine the heat or friction occurring and cause the bolts to seize. so instead of ordering another pair, i decided to try something else. after a quick search, i found out a couple of members are using racingbeat rear links off of a 90-97 miata without problems.

After a quick comparison between the two I have to say that not only are the RacingBeat links more affordable than the TwosRUs ones ($59 vs. $75 for the pair), but they're imo beefier and better designed. the studs don't have spherical joints unlike the TwosRUs links and instead have urethane bushings so it provides a stiffer connection with the sway bar and the struts. these can also be adjusted in length just like the TwosRUs links.

..so if you're going to upgrade springs and/or rear endlinks, go for these.. just make sure you grease all the bolts and between the washers and swaybar for easy removal in the future. Now I just need to find similar ones for the front...


Link: 90-97 Miata Sway Bar Rear End Links














RacingBeat Miata vs. TwosRUS ST185 Rear Links





The TwosRUs links in their prime






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post Jun 6, 2010 - 5:22 PM
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NO BOTH OF THOSE ARE FALSE - if you lower your car, as long as both sides are lowered the same amount, there is no preload... it may limit the effectiveness of the endlinks because the bolts may no longer be parallel with the ground, but with the celica setup - the front has NOTHING to do with ride height... the endlinks are attached to the A-Frame, not the shocks, the back it is attached to the knuckle... some of the things said in the thread are ridiculous... i really need pictures to fully show what is going on with these...

the sway bar being parallel with the ground has nothing to do with the endlinks at all... the endlinks affect the degree between the mounting location on the knuckle/aframe and the pivot point... think of it like this... take a piece of wood like a 2x4 for instance that is say 6 feet long - now push on it against a nonmoving object like a wall with the 6ft section between you and the wall.... so one end of the wood is against the wall and the other is against your stomach or arms... you are pushing on it with the width of the board parallel to the ground... now rotate that wood so that is it perp to the groun or at a 45 degree angle... push on in the same way... does the rotation make any difference on how strong it is? the mounts (pivots) of the sway bar to the frame MAKE IT PARALLEL to the ground in the orientation that matters


the racingbeat endlinks will give a stiffer feel - but limit the POSITIVE movement of the suspension... putting terrible stress on other parts... the twosrus endlinks are made to create a stiffer feel while REMOVING stress on other parts of the suspension... if you drive your vehicle once a month at a track event and want the best feel - skip the racingbeat endlinks (the only time these would even be considered) and weld a bar between the mount and sway bar- thus eliminating independent suspension, otherwise for daily driving that is improved while not sacrificing reliability - twosrus are the way to go

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- azian_advanced   Installed RacingBeat Rear Links   Feb 2, 2010 - 12:14 AM
- - blu94gt   I'm surprised no one has done something like t...   Feb 2, 2010 - 12:24 AM
- - SwissFerdi   Very interesting thread, I will need this in the f...   Feb 2, 2010 - 1:03 AM
- - nics   how long you had those twosrus links? looks like a...   Feb 2, 2010 - 1:14 AM
- - azian_advanced   had them for a couple of years.. they look like **...   Feb 2, 2010 - 8:06 AM
- - 99GT   Very nice.   Feb 2, 2010 - 12:18 PM
- - jordisonjr   So how did you know what length to set up the end ...   Feb 2, 2010 - 1:31 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   Well since we all know you drive through sand and ...   Feb 2, 2010 - 4:02 PM
- - Remy   Have you ever notified twosrus about that problem ...   Feb 2, 2010 - 11:03 PM
- - GriffGirl   That's a good question, about how you know wha...   Feb 2, 2010 - 11:38 PM
- - b1gr3d   typically the shorter they are the more the stiffe...   Feb 3, 2010 - 8:56 AM
- - jordisonjr   So If the shorter they are, the stiffer they are, ...   Feb 3, 2010 - 9:04 AM
|- - b1gr3d   QUOTE (jordisonjr @ Feb 3, 2010 - 8...   Feb 4, 2010 - 9:13 AM
- - azian_advanced   i could be wrong on this but since the twosrus lin...   Feb 4, 2010 - 12:11 AM
- - GriffGirl   This is great info, keep us updated on your findin...   Feb 4, 2010 - 1:04 AM
- - playr158   http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2231431...   Feb 4, 2010 - 9:37 AM
- - Culpable04   just ordered a set, I wasn't too thrilled by t...   Feb 8, 2010 - 7:22 PM
- - azian_advanced   shipping to me was $13.45, which i consider t...   Feb 8, 2010 - 10:48 PM
- - Culpable04   since they are adjustable, wouldn't the same l...   Feb 8, 2010 - 11:18 PM
- - SwissFerdi   Would you mind letting me know how long shipping t...   Feb 8, 2010 - 11:48 PM
- - azian_advanced   QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Feb 8, 2010 - 10...   Feb 9, 2010 - 12:15 AM
- - Culpable04   I have a tap / die set, I'll see when they get...   Feb 9, 2010 - 12:53 PM
- - RocketScott   What are you going to do with the old end link? I...   Feb 9, 2010 - 1:34 PM
- - Culpable04   did you see the prices ? how would that be a cheap...   Feb 9, 2010 - 5:05 PM
- - RocketScott   The link I posted was just to show that these aren...   Feb 10, 2010 - 10:13 AM
- - SwissFerdi   Well, I'm going to get some from Autozone and ...   Feb 10, 2010 - 2:28 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Feb 10, 2010 - 3...   Feb 10, 2010 - 6:28 PM
|- - SwissFerdi   QUOTE (richee3 @ Feb 10, 2010 - 6:28...   Feb 10, 2010 - 8:19 PM
- - chacha   update if the rear will work with the fronts?   Feb 12, 2010 - 10:39 PM
- - Culpable04   QUOTE (chacha @ Feb 12, 2010 - 11:39...   Feb 13, 2010 - 8:31 PM
- - azian_advanced   update: so apparently i had one rear bushing go b...   Feb 22, 2010 - 10:55 PM
- - Culpable04   I received mines last week, I've been playing ...   Feb 23, 2010 - 9:54 AM
- - Batman722   I jumped on the bandwagon.   Mar 6, 2010 - 2:33 PM
- - IllIllIll   Nice work. I never even thought about how the sph...   Mar 19, 2010 - 7:46 PM
- - RocketScott   Mmmm Tasty...   Mar 28, 2010 - 9:31 PM
|- - ChfNix   QUOTE (RocketScott @ Mar 28, 2010 - 9...   Mar 29, 2010 - 6:07 PM
- - 95CelicaST   I was installing my sportlines this weekend and ro...   Mar 29, 2010 - 12:52 AM
- - playr158   QUOTE (RocketScott @ Mar 28, 2010 - 9...   Mar 29, 2010 - 7:40 AM
- - RocketScott   Anodized aluminum with stainless steel hardware. ...   Mar 29, 2010 - 7:43 PM
|- - kamax   QUOTE (RocketScott @ Mar 29, 2010 - 6...   Mar 30, 2010 - 2:21 AM
|- - SwissFerdi   QUOTE (RocketScott @ Mar 29, 2010 - 8...   Mar 30, 2010 - 1:35 PM
- - RocketScott   No I need to make spacers for the end links. The m...   Mar 30, 2010 - 8:42 PM
- - Batman722   the bad thing about those and twosrus are the sper...   Mar 30, 2010 - 9:33 PM
|- - azian_advanced   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Mar 30, 2010 - 9...   Mar 30, 2010 - 9:49 PM
|- - pittfirefighter   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Mar 30, 2010 - 10...   Jun 6, 2010 - 5:44 PM
- - azian_advanced   .. and is the cheapest, best upgrade under $1...   Mar 30, 2010 - 9:54 PM
- - jordisonjr   Has anything else been found for the front either ...   Apr 2, 2010 - 10:51 PM
- - RocketScott   Just for comparison purposes everything cost me a ...   Apr 3, 2010 - 2:58 PM
- - jordisonjr   So if you lower your carr, should you have your en...   Jun 6, 2010 - 1:09 PM
- - pittfirefighter   these are just about removing the purpose of the e...   Jun 6, 2010 - 3:32 PM
- - jordisonjr   So your saying that the twosrus enlinks would be b...   Jun 6, 2010 - 4:15 PM
- - pittfirefighter   NO BOTH OF THOSE ARE FALSE - if you lower your car...   Jun 6, 2010 - 5:22 PM
- - Batman722   I agree they put more stress on the rest of the su...   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:16 PM
- - jordisonjr   Alright so I'm pretty confused on this, and I ...   Jun 23, 2010 - 6:47 PM
- - TEAMFaint   Will these work for the ST205? Any insight would b...   Jul 1, 2010 - 2:14 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   Ive been using the racing beat end links for a cou...   Jul 2, 2010 - 5:27 AM
- - HectortheRican   Other than the Megan Racing coilovers and a bushin...   Jul 31, 2010 - 3:52 PM
|- - ChfNix   QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Jul 31, 2010 - 3...   Aug 1, 2010 - 6:44 PM
|- - HectortheRican   QUOTE (ChfNix @ Aug 1, 2010 - 6:44 P...   Aug 2, 2010 - 12:39 AM
|- - ChfNix   QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Aug 2, 2010 - 12...   Aug 2, 2010 - 9:10 AM
- - azian_advanced   nvm   Aug 2, 2010 - 10:51 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   how about these for the front sway bar links??? th...   Feb 10, 2011 - 10:45 PM
|- - HectortheRican   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Feb 10, 2011 - 10...   Feb 10, 2011 - 11:33 PM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Feb 10, 2011 - 1...   Feb 11, 2011 - 2:39 AM
|- - HectortheRican   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Feb 11, 2011 - 1...   Feb 11, 2011 - 1:17 PM
- - trdproven   Heres other cars that show they have the same fron...   Apr 22, 2012 - 6:44 PM
- - jordisonjr   http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...-sway...   Apr 22, 2012 - 7:00 PM
- - trdproven   the design concept sounds good because you dont ha...   Apr 22, 2012 - 8:03 PM
- - jordisonjr   I don't think so. I but the adjustable oens fr...   Apr 22, 2012 - 9:45 PM
- - SwissFerdi   Doesn't the relation between the two end link ...   Apr 22, 2012 - 9:48 PM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Apr 22, 2012 - 10...   Apr 22, 2012 - 10:28 PM
- - trdproven   ^ thats the general concept, the other thing is ho...   Apr 22, 2012 - 10:25 PM
- - trdproven   ^ actually, it is common to use shorter endlinks e...   Apr 23, 2012 - 9:06 AM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (trdproven @ Apr 23, 2012 - 10...   Apr 27, 2012 - 6:24 PM
- - azian_advanced   the links need to be of equal length so that the s...   Apr 23, 2012 - 9:56 AM
- - Culpable04   ^ because of that reason, if you ever take your ca...   Apr 23, 2012 - 11:46 AM
- - trdproven   but what are the advantages between spherical and ...   Apr 23, 2012 - 5:09 PM
- - azian_advanced   the ball-joint type endlinks allow some independen...   Apr 23, 2012 - 8:56 PM
- - trdproven   i looked at the racingbeat ones and they seem to b...   Apr 24, 2012 - 6:51 PM
- - TerBeau   Didn't read farther but will the sway bars fit...   Apr 27, 2012 - 5:36 PM
- - trdproven   its not necessary but you can see the studs are no...   Apr 28, 2012 - 5:17 PM
- - marinos   I have found this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CELI...   May 3, 2012 - 2:08 PM
|- - trdproven   QUOTE (marinos @ May 4, 2012 - 5:08 ...   Jun 27, 2012 - 11:01 PM
- - jordisonjr   Not sure about PU in the end links but I've ha...   May 3, 2012 - 2:19 PM
- - richee3   I just installed the RacingBeat end links in my ca...   Jun 27, 2012 - 4:20 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   one argue that you need spherical end links as to ...   Jan 14, 2013 - 6:32 PM
- - azian_advanced   the difference is with spherical bearings (assumin...   Jan 14, 2013 - 7:39 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   ya here a few vids and I don't see the end lin...   Jan 15, 2013 - 12:04 AM


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