celica N.A engine conversion, what engines better Options

[xxFROZENxx]

hey guys im just keen to do a N/A engine swap for my celica.. its a 1995 st204r celica with a 5sfe engine...
out of a 3rd gen 3sge and a beams motor.. what would you guys recommend?

my goal is to bulid my celica as a N/A tune... i want good top end power and beat some honda's.. so which motor is suitable for me?

thanks

[Rusty]

if your trying to match the honda type-r for example regardless of which engine, gen 3 or beams you will struggle unless you shed some weight from the car because even if you match them on power the gen 6 still weighs more. Once stripped out my ss3 with beams was faster than some type-r's and not as fast as others but overall was a good match for similarly setup integra's as even though many of them were stripped they had a lot less weight to lose!

as for which engine i think it very much depends on your long and short term goals, and your budget, and of course availability of the engines around you both have pro's/cons.

part availability does play a part, since I'd hate to wait a couple of weeks for a simple but necessary part. Local laws to remember aswell and totally agree with the weight loss.

if your trying to match the honda type-r for example regardless of which engine, gen 3 or beams you will struggle unless you shed some weight from the car because even if you match them on power the gen 6 still weighs more.

i have a hard time believing that a 3rd gen stripped would lose to a type-r ... they make wat 210hp? the 3rd gen makes 265hp i believe on stock boost. u can turn the boost up and make about 300whp... i think you can beat a type r with a 3rd gen UNstripped no problem... ill have to find out once my 3rd gen goes in.. (on the track of corse lol)

from above we where talking about DC2 Integra makes 197BHP (guessing 160/70 WHP)

AAhh what? a 3rd gen 3SGE doesn't make that kind of power... Um stock boost, your talking about the 3gen 3S-GTE which makes 250BHP. This is a discussion about naturally aspirated engines (V6's, the BEAMS redtop 4th gen 3S-GE & the Gen3 3S-GE <which is the nonturbo one)

I haven't read the other posts but Beams isn't worth the 2k+ difference between a 3rd gen which is 20hp in it which can all be easily done with cams, exhaust, intake etc.

Get the 3rd gen and spend the other money elsewhere

to unlock the great potential of the engine either engine you need an ECU, so drop a link in it

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jul 28, 2010 - 2:35 AM

[Edophus]

i think if you can get the beams cheap enough, its well worth it as a base as its already a good spec internally with its bigger valves, higher compression etc, if you do the math of what it would take to get a 3s-ge to the same spec and compare it to the price of the beams then it may or may not be worth it, its not really clear cut.

If you want to just bolt up off the shelf parts the beams isnt for you though, the beams requires more effort to tune and you have to be more resourcefull about it, its more of a challenge but ultimatly will yield more power as a result, the vvti is a very nice bonus and fills out the lower and midrange of the torque curve nicely, its also advantageous when turbo charging as you can use vvti tuning to spool the turbo up sooner, being able to move the cam around has a lot of bonus's, its a question of whether having these features are worth it to you, or worth the hassle, to some it will be to others no