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post Oct 21, 2009 - 6:44 PM
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Imagine my shock and surprise to find Gramlights going for $4k a set with rubber on The Ebays... can anyone think of some low cost, low weight rims that will look good on our cars?


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post Nov 5, 2009 - 3:51 AM
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Lightweight wheels will give you better acceleration.
Engine mods will give you better acceleration.
Spending 4k on the engine will give you better acceleration than spending 4k on wheels.

Lightweight wheels will give you better braking.
Upgrading your brakes will give you better braking.
Spending 4k on your brakes will give you better braking than spending 4k on wheels.

Lightweight wheels will give you better handling.
Upgrading your suspension will give you better handling.
Spending 4k on suspension will give you better handling than spending 4k on wheels.

Lightweight wheels are a slight improvement in 3 areas.
Spending the money elsewhere will give a major improvement in 1 area. What are you really looking for?


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post Nov 5, 2009 - 9:28 AM
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QUOTE (delusionz @ Nov 5, 2009 - 3:51 AM) *
Lightweight wheels will give you better acceleration.
Engine mods will give you better acceleration.
Spending 4k on the engine will give you better acceleration than spending 4k on wheels.

Lightweight wheels will give you better braking.
Upgrading your brakes will give you better braking.
Spending 4k on your brakes will give you better braking than spending 4k on wheels.

Lightweight wheels will give you better handling.
Upgrading your suspension will give you better handling.
Spending 4k on suspension will give you better handling than spending 4k on wheels.

Lightweight wheels are a slight improvement in 3 areas.
Spending the money elsewhere will give a major improvement in 1 area. What are you really looking for?



I think you are missing a little context..... no one is talking about spending $4K on wheels, engine, or suspension. Further - in the realm of the 24 Hours of Lemons Race - Wheels and Tires are not bounded by the $500 cost limit of the vehicle, engine and suspension modifications are. So - In the racing / autocross world in which this car lives, spending ~ $160 a corner on wheels (tires are a different story) for some noticable improvement is not an unrealistic goal, especially on a car with 109 HP 15 years ago.

And yes standard disclaimer applies here: nothing can beat investing in the driver.... yatta yatta yatta......


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post Sep 7, 2010 - 3:21 AM
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QUOTE (qatar11 @ Nov 5, 2009 - 7:28 AM) *
I think you are missing a little context..... no one is talking about spending $4K on wheels, engine, or suspension. Further - in the realm of the 24 Hours of Lemons Race - Wheels and Tires are not bounded by the $500 cost limit of the vehicle, engine and suspension modifications are. So - In the racing / autocross world in which this car lives, spending ~ $160 a corner on wheels (tires are a different story) for some noticable improvement is not an unrealistic goal, especially on a car with 109 HP 15 years ago.

And yes standard disclaimer applies here: nothing can beat investing in the driver.... yatta yatta yatta......



gatar11 did you ever watch the episode of top gear where they hopped up a avantine to go faster then an EVo. top gear faster then an EVo

I personally think upgrading wheels to 17" will hurt your performance. IMO I would get smaller wheels with lower profile tires. Since your not allowed to run big brake kits and your not upgrading the horsepower, your better off with 14" wheels with some super sticky low profile tires. OEM 14" or the 15" GT rims will be a big plus in giving the brakes ventilation and reliability. When your racing sticky tires the hard cornering will chew through them.
post Oct 24, 2010 - 3:35 AM
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QUOTE (Hanyo @ Sep 7, 2010 - 3:21 AM) *
qatar11 did you ever watch the episode of top gear where they hopped up a avantine to go faster then an EVo. top gear faster then an EVo

I personally think upgrading wheels to 17" will hurt your performance. IMO I would get smaller wheels with lower profile tires. Since your not allowed to run big brake kits and your not upgrading the horsepower, your better off with 14" wheels with some super sticky low profile tires. OEM 14" or the 15" GT rims will be a big plus in giving the brakes ventilation and reliability. When your racing sticky tires the hard cornering will chew through them.


I am not sure if I ever mentioned going to 17" we started with 14" American Racing Wheels... but we couldn't find a tire we liked... it was either a crap tire... or some exotic track day rubber that violated the tread wear rules. We then went with 15x6 steelies because they came with a brand new set of Michelins Pilots. We acquired another set of steelies (so 8 total) and tried some General UHP tires.

Just an Update... after a couple races - we noticed everyone is running Falken Azenis RT615K's or equivalent. Out of sheer disregard for what would fit on the steel wheels I bought 6 of them in the 205/55R15 size. To find wheels that would better fit the tires we bought (from the celica community) 15x7 OEM GT Alloy Wheels. I have no idea what they weigh but the car is extremely well hooked up now...

The Azenis are a great tire. Very sticky but very easily ruined... we flat spotted 2 sets of fronts after some emergency braking and I think for all intents and purposes they are ruined.


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- qatar11   Light weight, nice looking, affordable wheels   Oct 21, 2009 - 6:44 PM
- - Promasta   17x8 +35 enkei rpf1s 15.6 lbs each $1000 ship...   Oct 21, 2009 - 6:51 PM
|- - whatthe   QUOTE (Promasta @ Oct 22, 2009 - 10...   Oct 21, 2009 - 10:21 PM
- - 95CelicaST   Yeah, RPF1's are your best bet if you want an ...   Oct 21, 2009 - 6:57 PM
- - qatar11   Dayyyyymmm Thanks gents can I get that in a 16...   Oct 21, 2009 - 7:02 PM
- - Promasta   sure they are http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/e...   Oct 21, 2009 - 7:16 PM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (Promasta @ Oct 21, 2009 - 8:1...   Oct 21, 2009 - 7:18 PM
- - Tigawoods   i paid 1k for my wheels and tires. edit: yeah i ...   Oct 21, 2009 - 7:36 PM
- - TRD_Ian   light weight-affordable-nice looking pick 2 lol   Oct 21, 2009 - 8:39 PM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (TRD_Ian @ Oct 21, 2009 - 9:39...   Oct 21, 2009 - 10:20 PM
- - playr158   OZ ultraleggera   Oct 22, 2009 - 7:30 AM
- - qatar11   According to Tire Rack - the RPF1's are lighte...   Oct 22, 2009 - 7:40 AM
- - playr158   yea but OZ is sexier   Oct 22, 2009 - 7:40 AM
- - 95CelicaST   My problem with RPF1's is that EVERYBODY has t...   Oct 22, 2009 - 8:45 AM
- - Culpable04   Motegi - Traklite 16 x 7 +40 12.5 Lbs ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 8:55 AM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Oct 22, 2009 - 9...   Oct 22, 2009 - 9:31 AM
|- - whatthe   QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Oct 23, 2009 - 12...   Oct 22, 2009 - 10:57 AM
- - playr158   4k is the upper average value of the cars on this ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 8:55 AM
- - 95CelicaST   I don't think people look at that fact Dan, no...   Oct 22, 2009 - 9:17 AM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Oct 22, 2009 - 10...   Oct 22, 2009 - 9:21 AM
- - Temporary-Failure   Maybe OZ Alleggerita: http://www.ozracing.fi/webim...   Oct 22, 2009 - 11:04 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   I like those oz ultaleggera, i think they look bet...   Oct 22, 2009 - 1:39 PM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 22, 2009 - 2...   Oct 22, 2009 - 1:56 PM
- - SwissFerdi   Wouldn't it be better if you could find those ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 1:59 PM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Oct 22, 2009 - 2...   Oct 22, 2009 - 2:49 PM
- - Culpable04   click ! Now imagine what you can find used ...   Oct 22, 2009 - 3:00 PM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Oct 22, 2009 - 4...   Oct 22, 2009 - 3:03 PM
- - trdproven   Oz has too many spokes, flat, plain ehhh spend th...   Oct 22, 2009 - 7:03 PM
- - razor7   I just say buy used. Our cars aren't worth th...   Oct 23, 2009 - 2:16 AM
- - qatar11   Here is the source of my sudden interest in wheel ...   Oct 23, 2009 - 9:26 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   very good information. I would suggest checking ou...   Oct 23, 2009 - 11:52 AM
- - Harold_Fastwaker   There are a few cheap lightweight race wheels avai...   Oct 25, 2009 - 2:07 AM
|- - Galcobar   QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Oct 25, 2009 ...   Oct 27, 2009 - 4:15 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   i dont think their is such thing as a nice looking...   Oct 26, 2009 - 5:01 PM
- - Tigawoods   SSR not cheap Type-F i have one in my garage. ...   Oct 27, 2009 - 11:46 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   the answer would be that no, there is no such thin...   Nov 2, 2009 - 1:17 PM
|- - Harold_Fastwaker   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Nov 2, 2009 - 1...   Nov 2, 2009 - 5:22 PM
- - rigley   For those who are on a budget, Speedy lite race wh...   Nov 3, 2009 - 5:20 AM
- - phantom   you can't go cheaper than brand new sportmax 0...   Nov 4, 2009 - 4:18 PM
- - Rusty   added to the stickies - but those links need to be...   Nov 5, 2009 - 12:30 AM
- - soulshadow   Invisible 20" rims with tires. Those are as l...   Nov 5, 2009 - 1:35 AM
- - delusionz   Lightweight wheels will give you better accelerati...   Nov 5, 2009 - 3:51 AM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (delusionz @ Nov 5, 2009 - 3:5...   Nov 5, 2009 - 9:28 AM
||- - Hanyo   QUOTE (qatar11 @ Nov 5, 2009 - 7:28 ...   Sep 7, 2010 - 3:21 AM
||- - qatar11   QUOTE (Hanyo @ Sep 7, 2010 - 3:21 AM...   Oct 24, 2010 - 3:35 AM
|- - Demios   QUOTE (delusionz @ Nov 5, 2009 - 10...   Nov 5, 2009 - 5:58 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   type r vs celica.... trying to reduce as much weig...   Nov 6, 2009 - 3:43 AM
- - delusionz   Didn't read anything about lemons, Just read t...   Nov 6, 2009 - 7:51 AM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (delusionz @ Nov 6, 2009 - 7:5...   Nov 6, 2009 - 8:04 AM
- - chode   QUOTE (rigley @ Nov 3, 2009 - 6:20 A...   Nov 13, 2009 - 8:30 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   OZ Racing Ultraleggera 16x7 with +35 offset at 14....   Sep 6, 2010 - 8:33 PM
- - JuMPiiN   Since he bumped this thread, 5zigen 17s FN01R-C ...   Sep 7, 2010 - 1:11 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   15" haha please. we've all already establ...   Sep 21, 2010 - 2:51 AM
|- - qatar11   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 21, 2010 - 2...   Oct 24, 2010 - 3:41 AM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (qatar11 @ Oct 24, 2010 - 1:41...   Oct 26, 2010 - 2:04 AM
- - block   i LOVE these. im actually saving up to get these ...   Sep 21, 2010 - 8:58 PM
- - basho   17 X 7--PCD 4 X 100---+45 Offset-- KINGS KG5 Lites...   Sep 26, 2010 - 12:54 AM
- - Culpable04   I got a set of these for DIRT cheap 3 wheels a...   Oct 2, 2010 - 10:24 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   Your right I don't have anything to back that ...   Oct 24, 2010 - 11:01 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   see I told you guys that 16" was best for our...   Oct 26, 2010 - 4:03 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   I don't think these are lightweight by any mea...   Dec 23, 2011 - 3:20 AM


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