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> Fwd 3rd gen 3sgte swaps, 0-100km/h, 400m, 1600m time ?
post Jan 14, 2011 - 4:51 PM
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This year I'm doing the 3sgte swap for sure, I'm already saving money for it. The problem is:
-as far as I've read on 6gc forums, nobody has done the st205 tranny swap (for AWD/4wd); weight would be about the same as a gt4, so why bother swap instead of buying the gt4?
-242 hp on the front wheels seem like too much power for FWD; nobody here has ever shown results of a fwd 3rd gen 3sgte swapped Celica, so I think that, despite the ~200 kg "earned" by eliminating AWD, performances are not better than the original ST205.

So, is there any way of using the 3sgte gearbox on rear wheels transmission and cancel the front wheels transmission?
(this probably is a stupid noob question, maybe someone else already asked that question before, but I just couldn't find any answers about it).

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post Jan 15, 2011 - 4:32 AM
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QUOTE (block @ Jan 14, 2011 - 7:01 PM) *
Fwd 3sgte is lighter and quicker. Some guys are running high 12s to mid 13s.

Now that's a good thing to know. I've read about many swaps, seen many pictures, even a few "first run" videos, but nothing about performances before.
QUOTE (lagos @ Jan 14, 2011 - 7:16 PM) *
quick_5hifter,
A lot of us on this site have had fwd 3sgte swapped celicas with well over 200hp for a long time now. I've been daily driving mine for about 6 years now!
There are no major issues with this setup. Sure you can say that an awd or a rwd is better than this or that, but thats with any car.
I have also been in a real st205. Its a very heavy car. While it might launch well because of awd, the fwd swap is much faster of a street car.

If it's two of you, guys, satisfied by the swap you've done, than most likely it can't be as bad as I thought biggrin.gif
I'm not saying awd is better, there is a pretty big weight difference between fwd 3sgte and awd 3sgte (I guess about ~200 kg), and that extra weight can't be good for the awd at higher speeds.
Also, I'm not saying rwd is better than fwd, since I drive my Celica in winter too (and my wife drives it too).
Someone was talking about using the gt-four tranny case with fwd internals and, if that was really possible, I've been thinking that a gt-four rwd tranny would also be possible, with some other internals... my bad, transmissions are definately not on my knowledge list frown.gif

QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Jan 14, 2011 - 7:29 PM) *
buy a supra for RWD

QUOTE (whatthe @ Jan 14, 2011 - 8:17 PM) *
Yeh its called a mr2.

...or a Soarer. Or a Ferrari 360 Modena. Yeah, why didn't I think of those? kindasad.gif
Seriously, guys, I don't want to change my car, not even to buy a gt-four.
Also, I'm doing a swap this year, as I said earlier, but I don't want to spend about ~5000 usd if it's not worth it... I mean, my car can do 0-100 in ~7.9 seconds right now, it would be a waste of money to do the fwd 3sgte swap for, let's say, 0-100 in 7 seconds. For the same amount or less, I could do some other things to my car to do 0-100 in 7 seconds, like lowering weight and many others, WHILE KEEPING IT LEGAL with the original engine.
On the other hand, it's my only car, it's an every-day car and, if I'll buy a second car, it won't be another Celica, not even another coupe, since my familly is getting bigger.

QUOTE (DEATH @ Jan 14, 2011 - 9:20 PM) *
Dude I've beaten BPU Evo's and STI's - the FWD swapped Celica is very fun car and it's quick too.
But if you are in an area where you can buy a GT4 why not just sell yours and get one? I personally wouldn't cause my car and I are joined at the hip and I wouldn't give her up for a heavier car even for the AWD [I'd probably just have two biggrin.gif ]. Furthermore, there is reason why the 1st and 2nd gen Eclipses [a similar platform in most respects] as well as the Caldina GT4 and GT-T came in both FWD Turbo and AWD Turbo - cause both are fun and good for different motor sports.
But an AWD swap can and has been done as was shown to you before.


I've taken a look at those swaps, the first one just wouldn't float my boat ever (I would never feel safe in a car made out of two half-cuts, no matter how good the welding is).
About the awd transmission, I already said that I don't want so much extra weight.
I don't want the 3sgte swap for drift, top speed or the BOV sound, I want to do it for 0-100 and quarter mile. That's why I would like to read about some 0-100 km/h of fwd 3rd gen 3sgte swapped Celicas.

I must say I've given this topic a wrong title, wish I could change it to "fwd 3rd gen 3sgte 0 to 100 acceleration time".

Thanks for all the replies, even the "evil" ones!


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- quick_5hifter   Fwd 3rd gen 3sgte swaps   Jan 14, 2011 - 4:51 PM
- - NOVAKx17   QUOTE (quick_5hifter @ Jan 14, 2011 - 5...   Jan 14, 2011 - 5:04 PM
- - presure2   seriously, just look in the forced induction forum...   Jan 14, 2011 - 5:06 PM
- - quick_5hifter   QUOTE (NOVAKx17 @ Jan 14, 2011 - 6:0...   Jan 14, 2011 - 6:40 PM
- - block   Fwd 3sgte is lighter and quicker. Some guys are r...   Jan 14, 2011 - 7:01 PM
- - lagos   quick_5hifter, A lot of us on this site have had ...   Jan 14, 2011 - 7:16 PM
- - Tom_SS2   buy a supra for RWD   Jan 14, 2011 - 7:29 PM
- - whatthe   Yeh its called a mr2.   Jan 14, 2011 - 8:17 PM
- - DEATH   Dude I've beaten BPU Evo's and STI's -...   Jan 14, 2011 - 9:20 PM
- - quick_5hifter   QUOTE (block @ Jan 14, 2011 - 7:01 P...   Jan 15, 2011 - 4:32 AM
- - Johnnyny   u could use the tranny from an altezza black top   Jan 16, 2011 - 8:59 PM
- - 3WayStunna   Altezza tranny wouldnt fit first and foremost...se...   Jan 17, 2011 - 12:45 AM
- - Culpable04   RWD celica is as possible as the one I saw on pass...   Jan 17, 2011 - 9:34 AM
- - quick_5hifter   Like I said in my previous reply, I would like to ...   Jan 17, 2011 - 12:27 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (quick_5hifter @ Jan 17, 2011 - 11...   Jan 17, 2011 - 12:46 PM
- - Culpable04   you are taking this wrong. it wasn't a dumb ...   Jan 17, 2011 - 12:44 PM
- - richee3   I don't think the idea of a RWD Celica is dumb...   Jan 17, 2011 - 1:31 PM
- - quick_5hifter   @Culpable: 4.3 sounds awesome, but i don't thi...   Jan 17, 2011 - 1:42 PM
- - Culpable04   use this !! at 242 whp and weight of 27...   Jan 17, 2011 - 2:05 PM
- - RUNNIN-LOW   i just wanted to add my two cents about fwd set up...   Jan 17, 2011 - 2:08 PM
- - richee3   Wheel hop can't really be solved in our cars a...   Jan 17, 2011 - 2:22 PM
- - presure2   QUOTE Wheel hop can't really be solved in our ...   Jan 17, 2011 - 4:59 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (presure2 @ Jan 17, 2011 - 5:5...   Jan 20, 2011 - 2:31 PM
- - RUNNIN-LOW   QUOTE (presure2 @ Jan 17, 2011 - 5:5...   Jan 17, 2011 - 9:44 PM
- - Culpable04   the 4 things that have the most impact on your 1/4...   Jan 20, 2011 - 2:42 PM
- - presure2   high 12's on a 3rd gen swapped 6gc should be a...   Jan 20, 2011 - 4:22 PM
- - quick_5hifter   1.LSD - when I'll do the swap, I'll keep m...   Jan 20, 2011 - 4:26 PM
- - Promasta   fastest confirmed quarter mile by a fwd sixth gene...   Jan 21, 2011 - 2:31 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Promasta @ Jan 21, 2011 - 2:3...   Jan 21, 2011 - 3:19 PM
||- - Promasta   QUOTE (presure2 @ Jan 21, 2011 - 3:1...   Jan 22, 2011 - 4:38 PM
|- - czwalga   QUOTE (Promasta @ Jan 21, 2011 - 3:3...   Jan 21, 2011 - 3:21 PM
- - delusionz   Theres not much in it at all, 4WD will get away 1s...   Jan 22, 2011 - 6:03 AM
|- - str8thugginit4ya   QUOTE (delusionz @ Jan 22, 2011 - 6...   Jan 22, 2011 - 8:12 AM
- - Culpable04   not in the same league, but the car who started it...   Jan 25, 2011 - 12:19 PM
- - czwalga   Pressure 2, You definitely have room to improve. ...   Jan 25, 2011 - 8:47 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (czwalga @ Jan 25, 2011 - 8:47...   Jan 26, 2011 - 8:34 AM
- - block   13-14 second 1/4 is quick enough already. if you ...   Jan 26, 2011 - 11:40 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (block @ Jan 26, 2011 - 11:40 ...   Jan 26, 2011 - 11:42 AM
|- - str8thugginit4ya   QUOTE (block @ Jan 26, 2011 - 12:40 ...   Jan 27, 2011 - 8:30 AM
|- - quick_5hifter   QUOTE (str8thugginit4ya @ Jan 27, 2011 ...   Jan 27, 2011 - 6:03 PM
|- - mkernz22   QUOTE (quick_5hifter @ Jan 27, 2011 - 6...   Jan 27, 2011 - 6:09 PM
- - 3WayStunna   Well to agree with Quick_shifter, some of use woul...   Jan 28, 2011 - 5:58 PM
- - quick_5hifter   Well, I would rather buy a turbo kit for my 3sge, ...   Jan 29, 2011 - 6:18 PM
- - richee3   Perhaps I'm mistaken, but wouldn't 3S-GTE ...   Jan 29, 2011 - 10:45 PM
- - cjh4l22   SO I'm not sure if I saw it in all that but di...   Feb 20, 2012 - 12:53 PM
- - diegohiga   No exact numbers on this yet?   Jun 23, 2012 - 3:06 PM
- - delusionz   heres the final word. FWD3SGTE will never touch a...   Jul 13, 2012 - 7:59 PM


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