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post Mar 31, 2011 - 10:28 AM
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As title says I have had recently installed rear GT disc conversion along with 13" Wilwood brake kit. I would have done it myself but because of the weather/time restriction I had them installed by mechanic in the shop.
First of all I have to say that I am impressed: the stopping power is amazing and it was worthy every penny I spent on this upgrade.
Now the issues:

(1) I'm not sure if the GT parking cables are longer but right now, when I engage the parking brake, I have to pull the lever about twice as high than before. It does not bother me (as long as my parking brake works) but it was much more convenient before when I had to pull the lever up only about three inches to get a grip. Is there any way how to adjust the parking brake lever height?

(2) The second (and more pressing) issue is that now after the swap my brake pedal engages at lower half of the pedal height. When I used to have drums in the rear it engaged right on the top (all I had to do was "tap" the pedal and I immediately felt the brakes grabbing). Firstly I thought that the circuit needed to be bled more (that there was still some air in the system) so I took the car back to the shop. After the mechanic drove the car he gave me the following explanation:
The front discs/rear drums works the following way - the drums engage first and then the pressure goes to the front. Also on the drums there is the way how to adjust the height where the pedal "grabs". As opposed to front discs/rear discs where the brakes engage diagonally - front left with rear right and front right with rear left. So according to his explanation the proportioning valve for front discs/rear drums distributes the pressure differently than front discs/rear discs one.
He suggested that replacing the OEM proportioning valve with aftermarket will fix the issue. Before the swap and upgrade I was afraid that I might need to install one because of the bias, now I'm curious if installing one will fix my issue with "low pedal"?
I'd appreciate any insights on this. Also, has anybody here ever installed aftermarket proportioning valve (like Wilwood 260-11179) on their Celica before?

Thanks!

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post Mar 31, 2011 - 11:49 AM
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your mechanic doesnt understnad how brake system " works " he may be able to replace components and such, but is clueless in the actual science behind it.

first, you can adjust the ebrake as said already.

second, your rear brakes never engage before the fronts, drums, disc, they SHOULD never engage first than the front disc. your car has a brake proportioning valve from factory that is preset to send a higher percentage of force to the front than the rears, thus your front brake will always engage first than the rears, there is a pedal height adjustment as well as brake cylinder adjustment. ( just like the clutch basically ) you can adjust those till your brake pedal feels the way you want it, but your pedal travel will be slightly higher with a big brake system, because the brake cylinder is still the same size and is now suppling fluid to a bigger area, but it shouldn't be that noticeable. just go and adjust your pedal height and preload and enjoy your new brake system.

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post Mar 31, 2011 - 2:05 PM
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QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Mar 31, 2011 - 11:49 AM) *
your mechanic doesnt understnad how brake system " works " he may be able to replace components and such, but is clueless in the actual science behind it.

first, you can adjust the ebrake as said already.

second, your rear brakes never engage before the fronts, drums, disc, they SHOULD never engage first than the front disc. your car has a brake proportioning valve from factory that is preset to send a higher percentage of force to the front than the rears, thus your front brake will always engage first than the rears, there is a pedal height adjustment as well as brake cylinder adjustment. ( just like the clutch basically ) you can adjust those till your brake pedal feels the way you want it, but your pedal travel will be slightly higher with a big brake system, because the brake cylinder is still the same size and is now suppling fluid to a bigger area, but it shouldn't be that noticeable. just go and adjust your pedal height and preload and enjoy your new brake system.

Would you mind to give me a few pointers how/where to adjust the pedal height and preload?
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