 The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? |
 Aug 9, 2009 - 6:40 PM
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So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.
Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th. So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop. -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Jun 11, 2011 - 10:51 PM
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update on your blacktop beams swap into the st182???
im looking into gearing options for the s54. Edophus you said something earlier about putting an e56 transmission on an 3sge beams redtop. What are the ratio's for the E56? -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Jun 17, 2011 - 9:49 AM
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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jun 12, 2011 - 4:51 AM)  update on your blacktop beams swap into the st182??? im looking into gearing options for the s54. Edophus you said something earlier about putting an e56 transmission on an 3sge beams redtop. What are the ratio's for the E56? I would need to dig them out they are in the wiki gen 6 section linked on ccuk, the final drive is slightly shorter than the s54 but there are off the shelf final drives available for the e56 if you want to change them. as for an update havent really got one, its not in storage anymore as i'm in a new house and all of it is here now but its in bits at the moment, i just agreed to buy an st205 from a freind though 
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BonzaiCelica The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica Aug 9, 2009 - 6:40 PM
richee3 I don't know every little detail about the rea... Aug 9, 2009 - 7:57 PM Galcobar Cost. The 3SGE was a more powerful, larger, higher... Aug 10, 2009 - 1:12 AM
Hanyo QUOTE (Galcobar @ Aug 9, 2009 - 11:1... Aug 10, 2009 - 1:17 AM
RavenAegis45 QUOTE (Galcobar @ Aug 10, 2009 - 2:1... Aug 10, 2009 - 8:02 PM SwissFerdi That's what I like about our cars...the interi... Aug 10, 2009 - 1:16 AM BonzaiCelica nice reply's everybody thanks!
so if you ... Aug 10, 2009 - 2:01 AM Hanyo QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 10, 2009 - 12... Aug 10, 2009 - 6:25 AM Smaay QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 10, 2009 - 12... Aug 11, 2009 - 9:37 AM RavenAegis45 the 7th gen was also more closely related to the c... Aug 10, 2009 - 3:00 AM trdproven Toyota these days lean towards economy Aug 10, 2009 - 3:51 AM nakamura Emissions was another issue. The 3SG series wasnt ... Aug 10, 2009 - 4:20 AM 808celica One of us should go buy out and own toyota slap a... Aug 10, 2009 - 5:08 AM bdub215 to the op its 1zz-fe (i'd only wish it was a g... Aug 10, 2009 - 10:52 PM enderswift slap the engineers? more like the suits that decid... Aug 10, 2009 - 10:53 PM BonzaiCelica ya stupid toyota with their boring economic cars ... Aug 10, 2009 - 11:44 PM trdproven I did read online the celica gts was built to dest... Aug 11, 2009 - 12:40 AM Tony-B I own a beams and my brother owns a JDM EK9 (B16b ... Aug 11, 2009 - 4:48 AM Tony-B Putting a 3S-GTE in a 7th gen would make it slower... Aug 11, 2009 - 9:59 AM njccmd2002 QUOTE (Tony-B @ Aug 11, 2009 - 10... Aug 11, 2009 - 11:34 AM Edophus i had a 2zz in my corolla before i had a 3s-ge bea... Aug 11, 2009 - 12:23 PM Smaay QUOTE (Tony-B @ Aug 11, 2009 - 7... Aug 11, 2009 - 7:08 PM BonzaiCelica very nice reply's everybody this turned out... Aug 11, 2009 - 2:52 PM BonzaiCelica uhh 200hp thats a usdm 2nd gen 3sgte. get a 3rd ge... Aug 11, 2009 - 9:31 PM Tony-B I was just going to say that!!
A 3s-gte c... Aug 12, 2009 - 4:33 AM Edophus i think it would be pretty pointless swapping out... Aug 12, 2009 - 12:25 PM richee3 QUOTE (Edophus @ Aug 12, 2009 - 1:25... Aug 13, 2009 - 3:00 PM Edophus QUOTE (richee3 @ Aug 13, 2009 - 4:00... Aug 13, 2009 - 3:17 PM Smaay QUOTE but you can probably bolt up the e series bo... Aug 12, 2009 - 4:44 PM Bitter lift is pretty fun, but torque all over is much ni... Aug 12, 2009 - 8:18 PM BonzaiCelica ok now that what i do not understand! whats th... Aug 12, 2009 - 9:30 PM nakamura QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 12, 2009 - 10... Aug 13, 2009 - 2:59 AM Edophus the way i always think about it is to really forge... Aug 13, 2009 - 9:42 AM Bitter torque is what moves you, hp is just imaginary.
y... Aug 12, 2009 - 9:39 PM SwissFerdi Torque is the ability for something to rotate some... Aug 12, 2009 - 10:32 PM Bitter QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Aug 12, 2009 - 10... Aug 12, 2009 - 10:47 PM SwissFerdi QUOTE Torque, also called moment or moment of forc... Aug 12, 2009 - 10:50 PM azian_advanced from an engineering perspective, torque is the rot... Aug 12, 2009 - 11:15 PM SwissFerdi I thought it was the other way around? Aug 13, 2009 - 12:26 AM nics QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 11, 2009 - 7:37 A... Aug 13, 2009 - 12:35 PM Edophus thought this might be interesting given the discus... Aug 13, 2009 - 1:41 PM BonzaiCelica pretty much if i an integra type r vs a ss-III 3sg... Aug 13, 2009 - 6:35 PM Hanyo QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 13, 2009 - 4... Aug 13, 2009 - 6:58 PM Bitter out of lift the 2zz isnt sooo bad, but below 2500 ... Aug 13, 2009 - 7:42 PM Smaay QUOTE (Bitter @ Aug 13, 2009 - 5:42 ... Aug 14, 2009 - 9:54 AM Bitter QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 14, 2009 - 9:54 A... Aug 15, 2009 - 8:57 AM BonzaiCelica ok i think i got the concept of torque
hey edophu... Aug 13, 2009 - 10:41 PM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 13, 2009 - 11... Aug 14, 2009 - 3:04 AM Tony-B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShDyuuYaFCY
http:/... Aug 14, 2009 - 3:51 AM Edophus QUOTE (Tony-B @ Aug 14, 2009 - 4... Aug 14, 2009 - 7:48 AM Smaay QUOTE BEAMS is too high compression for a turbo.
... Aug 14, 2009 - 9:50 AM BonzaiCelica very awesome vids. I've seen those before... Aug 14, 2009 - 10:50 PM Edophus thanks the white integra was my freinds, i also... Aug 15, 2009 - 8:27 AM Shigexile how can people just assume the results of the inte... Aug 16, 2009 - 5:16 PM Edophus in a discussion about engines just how relevant is... Aug 16, 2009 - 5:35 PM BonzaiCelica uhh ya i totally agree edophus. The integra type r... Aug 16, 2009 - 8:59 PM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 16, 2009 - 9... Aug 17, 2009 - 5:05 AM Smaay well i just looked at my only NA dyno sheet and it... Aug 17, 2009 - 10:12 AM Shigexile QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 16, 2009 - 8... Aug 17, 2009 - 12:37 PM mariosdarkworld Can you swap over the black top beams in to the ce... Aug 17, 2009 - 1:10 PM BonzaiCelica id say dont try to make a rwd celica its not worth... Feb 10, 2010 - 1:40 PM BonzaiCelica I was looking on specs for the 2zz-ge and its seem... Mar 30, 2010 - 1:30 AM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 30, 2010 - 6... Mar 31, 2010 - 7:36 AM BonzaiCelica hmm yea ok I see, eeh pity to see where toyota had... Mar 31, 2010 - 11:52 AM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 31, 2010 - 5... Apr 1, 2010 - 3:26 AM Smaay QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 31, 2010 - 9... Aug 19, 2010 - 12:37 PM BonzaiCelica hmm i see alot of guys swapping in 3S-GE Blacktop ... Aug 18, 2010 - 8:55 PM Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 19, 2010 - 2... Aug 19, 2010 - 7:45 AM RavenAegis45 QUOTE (Edophus @ Aug 19, 2010 - 7:45... Aug 19, 2010 - 4:08 PM Edophus QUOTE (RavenAegis45 @ Aug 19, 2010 - 10... Aug 20, 2010 - 3:16 AM BonzaiCelica haha yea thats what I was just going to say. well ... Aug 19, 2010 - 7:34 PM Rusty blacktop engine with a greytop manifold, since the... Aug 19, 2010 - 10:08 PM Rusty Celica GT nl website & CCUK facts and figures ... Jun 18, 2011 - 3:40 AM BonzaiCelica Yes please do put some input that wud be great Jun 18, 2011 - 5:51 AM |
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