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post Aug 14, 2011 - 9:07 PM
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Has anyone ever heard of addition panels to improve the coefficient of drag (cd) of our cars? Sites like ecomodder have all the people making stupid looking stuff to gain mpg, but imo our cars look too good for that to happen. So I was thinking, what if we made panels that either A) looked good on the car, or B) couldn't be "readily seen" - aka made out of lexan or something.

Any Thoughts, ideas? I think if we could shape some clear panels to deflect air around our bucket head lights, and some to keep the air off the spoiler (but still using the spoiler for mounting/looks), we could probably gain at least a few mpg. It might be worth looking into if some cheap lexan could be found.


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post Aug 25, 2011 - 12:37 AM
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I'm pretty active on ecomodder and definitely one of those freaks who drives around with plastic all over my car to get better MPG. But I agree the celiac is too pretty to do that to. I have a GT convertible that I keep covered and take out once a week for fun. My daily driver is a geo metro that looks like a spaceship but gets around 50mpg. It's weird to say but it's actually as much fun of a car in a totally different way. With the Celica all my mods are for style or performance, with the geo, all the mods cost next to nothing and they are only for function and economy. At any rate here are some things that might be interesting for this discussion.

The three mods I would recommend most for saving gas without sacrificing image are:
1) Grill Block or partial Grill Block. The front bumper openings are designed for the worst case scenario (towing uphill in the desert) but under less stressful situations you don't need nearly that much air going into your engine bay. Think of pushing an open cup through water, that's what your bumper mouth is doing to the air. You can block a good portion of the grill and it forces air around the car with much less drag. Best way to do it is is install some instrumentation to monitor your coolant temp (a scanguage II would work) then block some of the grill with cardboard. Keep driving normally and blocking more of the grill until you see the temp rising then back off a bit. This mod also functions to help your car get warmed up quicker and it is most efficient once warmed up. Once you find the right amount to block you can make something pretty like a colored plastic block with home depot mesh across the whole bumper gap to hid your partial block.
2) the belly pan. Our cars are smooth and pretty on the top and sides but under the car is all kinds of stuff for air to get snagged on. For the geo I just bought a 4x8 sheet of coreplast, trimmed it to shape and mounted it under the car. This can be very effective. The other way to get the same effect is install a front lip that extends as low as your lowest hanging suspension, spare tires, whatever hangs down.
As far as dimpling this... Air behaves weirdly and in many cases the air under the car gets pressurized because the bumper pushes a good portion of the air down and the rest goes over the car. when incoming air hits the pressurized air a lot of it swerves left or right toward the wheelwells. It's weird I've seen it in wind tunnel smoke tests. That makes me think that the dimples may not be as effective on a belly pan.
3) the BIGGEST change you can make is driving habits. The Scanguage is awesome, it plugs into the OBDII port and gives you instant readings for mpg rate as well as avg mpg for the trip. It's like a video game trying to set a high score and you can adjust your driving to get the most significant gains.

There's other things of course, the geo has a kill switch so I coast with the engine off a lot but our celicas would lose power steering and possibly brakes so that might not be a good idea. Pulse and glide is a counterintuitive driving method that can save you a ton of gas. It works like this:
Say you get 22 mpg going a steady 55
You could drive for 55 miles and get 22 mpg
now say you drive that same 55 miles constantly flooring it to 60 then putting it in neutral and coasting down to 50
Assume it takes the same amount of time to coast down as it does to accelerate (I'm sure our fast cars would actually coast longer than the acceleration, but for easy math lets say it's equal)
Now say you get only 10mpg when you're pedal to the metal, BUT coasting in neutral your car is at idle and probably gets 50mpg.
So in 55 miles you would spend 27.5 miles getting 10mpg and 27.5 miles getting 50MPG
Average those together and you get 30MPG
And because your average speed between 50 and 60 is 55 it takes you the same amount of time.
You win 8mpg!

The real numbers might be different but the concept actually works, its so weird but try it, you might be surprised.

btw what on earth is making you drive 1000 mi / week?

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- ricochet1490   Aerodynamic panels   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:07 PM
- - stephen_lee   underbody panels would be the first thing id look ...   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:12 PM
|- - ricochet1490   QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Aug 14, 2011 - 10...   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:18 PM
- - stephen_lee   im thinking more of the engine bay and over the ga...   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:21 PM
|- - ricochet1490   The engine area is pretty rough for sure as is the...   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:23 PM
|- - OOBE   QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Aug 14, 2011 - 8...   Aug 16, 2011 - 5:14 PM
- - stephen_lee   ballpeen hammer on thin sheet metal would create d...   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:26 PM
|- - ricochet1490   QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Aug 14, 2011 - 9...   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:32 PM
- - stephen_lee   im really not sure what the gains in mpg would act...   Aug 14, 2011 - 9:59 PM
- - SwissFerdi   One of the rarer Celica parts is the set of clear ...   Aug 14, 2011 - 10:41 PM
- - stephen_lee   I'd like to see a set of those   Aug 14, 2011 - 10:50 PM
- - azian_advanced   some GM cars use front air dams mounted under the ...   Aug 15, 2011 - 12:09 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   pics moved to second page   Aug 15, 2011 - 3:14 PM
- - ricochet1490   ^^ now see that's what I was talking about. T...   Aug 15, 2011 - 4:24 PM
- - azian_advanced   front headlamp covers will only increase fuel econ...   Aug 15, 2011 - 9:07 PM
|- - ricochet1490   QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Aug 15, 2011 - 1...   May 20, 2012 - 11:02 AM
|- - azian_advanced   QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Aug 15, 2011 - 9...   May 25, 2012 - 10:26 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   wow there ricochet. You lost me. To technical I...   Aug 16, 2011 - 1:59 AM
- - Neon90424   just drive behind an 18 wheeler lol   Aug 16, 2011 - 5:58 PM
|- - stephen_lee   QUOTE (Neon90424 @ Aug 16, 2011 - 5...   Aug 16, 2011 - 7:40 PM
|- - nics   QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Aug 16, 2011 - 5...   Aug 16, 2011 - 7:58 PM
- - Neon90424   drive behind an angry suv driver aswell plenty of ...   Aug 16, 2011 - 8:32 PM
|- - ricochet1490   QUOTE (Neon90424 @ Aug 16, 2011 - 9...   Aug 16, 2011 - 8:37 PM
- - ACCELICA   I'm pretty active on ecomodder and definitely ...   Aug 25, 2011 - 12:37 AM
- - nics   Ahh ecomodder!! That site gave me wonders ...   Aug 25, 2011 - 2:59 AM
- - yellowchinaman   Not really eco but better air flow. My mods consis...   Aug 25, 2011 - 3:52 AM
|- - ricochet1490   @ ACCCELICA Thanks for the info man! I've...   Aug 25, 2011 - 7:49 AM
- - yellowchinaman   Dont know yet becasue my engine is out and the car...   Aug 25, 2011 - 9:13 AM
|- - ricochet1490   QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Aug 25, 2011 - 9...   Aug 25, 2011 - 5:48 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   vincent's doggy's underpanel is high quali...   Dec 30, 2011 - 2:05 AM
|- - Tigawoods   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 30, 2011 - 2...   Dec 31, 2011 - 11:31 AM
- - RobbMeeX   I am also more active on Ecomodders. So far I...   Dec 31, 2011 - 11:18 AM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (RobbMeeX @ Dec 31, 2011 - 12...   Dec 31, 2011 - 4:45 PM
|- - RobbMeeX   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 31, 2011 - 5...   Jan 13, 2012 - 3:33 PM
- - richee3   I got 32 mpg without any of that work...   Dec 31, 2011 - 11:25 AM
|- - ricochet1490   QUOTE (richee3 @ Dec 31, 2011 - 11:2...   Dec 31, 2011 - 12:27 PM
- - Neon90424   those a pretty rare headlight covers...   Dec 31, 2011 - 11:39 AM
|- - Tigawoods   QUOTE (Neon90424 @ Dec 31, 2011 - 11...   Dec 31, 2011 - 12:48 PM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Dec 31, 2011 - 12...   Dec 31, 2011 - 4:41 PM
- - Neon90424   Headlight Covers Note: Made of durable acrylic. ...   Dec 31, 2011 - 1:55 PM
- - Tigawoods   im making a wtb thread. I havent wanted anything s...   Dec 31, 2011 - 4:51 PM
- - SwissFerdi   Ja Mike, they're pretty nifty. I'd like a ...   Jan 1, 2012 - 10:21 PM
- - ricochet1490   ^awesome so far! So that right there really pr...   Jan 13, 2012 - 5:52 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   nice entry on that piece guy ^^. I would like to...   Jan 13, 2012 - 6:40 PM
- - RobbMeeX   Thanks folks. Its not near done. Those things hang...   Jan 13, 2012 - 9:54 PM
- - richee3   Just our of curiosity, what was your gas mileage b...   Jan 14, 2012 - 2:18 PM
|- - Neon90424   QUOTE (richee3 @ Jan 14, 2012 - 3:18...   Jan 14, 2012 - 3:40 PM
- - Tigawoods   my experience with my rear diffuser, I noticed tha...   Jan 14, 2012 - 2:43 PM
- - RobbMeeX   Just don't be lazy and remove it when you chan...   Jan 20, 2012 - 9:56 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (RobbMeeX @ Jan 20, 2012 - 8:5...   Jan 22, 2012 - 12:30 AM
- - yellowchinaman   here's something we've made for our sponso...   Jan 25, 2012 - 5:48 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   cool cool, now making some for the 6th gen   Feb 11, 2012 - 1:48 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   bump?!   Apr 18, 2012 - 8:16 PM
- - Akirad1   just swap a VW TDI and you will get 45MPG and 150F...   Apr 26, 2012 - 10:06 PM
- - Box   I really like the light covers. Would like to hav...   Apr 26, 2012 - 10:42 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 31, 2011 - 5...   May 2, 2012 - 5:46 PM
|- - marinos   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 2, 2012 - 5...   May 2, 2012 - 7:56 PM
- - delusionz   yeah i ditched some of the factory plastic underco...   May 2, 2012 - 7:56 PM
- - Lil-Joe101   I know adding a front splitter makes a big differe...   May 3, 2012 - 12:00 AM
- - Special_Edy   All this talk of dimples, something else that impr...   May 3, 2012 - 4:10 PM
- - delusionz   so just how much acceleration am i losing from hav...   May 4, 2012 - 10:42 AM
|- - Special_Edy   QUOTE (delusionz @ May 4, 2012 - 10...   May 4, 2012 - 11:08 AM
- - ricochet1490   unless no plastic covers are creating a parachute ...   May 4, 2012 - 1:28 PM
- - 199celica   i know this might be a little off topic of what yo...   May 6, 2012 - 4:30 AM
- - delusionz   so in other words, my best run on the day i got 13...   May 6, 2012 - 7:05 AM
- - ricochet1490   on the track... yeah... there is more variation in...   May 6, 2012 - 10:52 AM
- - 199celica   this is the vortex generator i speak of it directs...   May 11, 2012 - 9:59 PM
- - ricochet1490   hmmm.... In other news, yellowchinamans front spl...   May 16, 2012 - 12:15 AM
- - azian_advanced   i keep forgetting to send you that file.. i happen...   May 23, 2012 - 9:58 AM
- - ricochet1490   This is what I see on my screen when I click the l...   May 25, 2012 - 10:35 AM


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