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post Jan 12, 2010 - 9:17 PM
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I was wondering what the purpose of the final drive gear ratio?

also what is this? http://auctions.nengun.com/item/k113042803


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post Sep 6, 2011 - 8:39 PM
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I got the information from this link : http://www.rubydist.com/Family/Power.html

A second way to improve acceleration is to put a higher (numerically) ratio final drive in the vehicle. The torque available at the drive wheels is the engine torque multiplied by the transmission ratio multiplied by the final drive ratio.
Let's just use some hypothetical numbers to make the math easy. Let's say for an example that the engine has 200 lb-ft of torque all across the usable speed range (a gross oversimplification); let's have a final drive ratio of 3:1, a rolling radius of 1.25' (15" radius, 30" diameter tire); and let's say that the transmission ratios are 3:1 (1st), 2:1 (2nd), 1.5:1 (3rd), 1:1 (4th), and .75:1 (5th).
-So, the torque available at drive wheels in first gear is 200 (engine torque) x 3 (first gear ratio) x 3 (final drive ratio) = 1800 lb-ft. (The force at the point where the drive wheels contact the road is a total of 1800 lb-ft / 1.25 ft (rolling radius) = 1440 lb.) If we change the final drive ratio to 4:1, the first gear torque will be 200 x 3 (first gear ratio) x 4 (final drive ratio) = 2400 lb-ft.
This is a 33% increase in drive wheel torque, and it will result in dramatically improved acceleration. (It will also increase engine speed on the highway, resulting in lower fuel mileage, increased noise & engine wear, and a lowered top speed of the vehicle.) The final drive ratio has no effect on the horsepower of the vehicle, but it does affect the torque available to the drive wheels.

Stock S54 Gear Ratios:

1st : 3.285
2nd: 1.960
3rd: 1.322
4th: 1.028
5th: .820
Final Drive: 4.176

Using this equation, (engine torque) x (first gear ratio) x (final drive ratio) = # of pounds. Then # of pounds / rolling tire radius in feet = gives you # of wheel torque.

I am using my current 215/45R17 tire size = 2.06 ft in diameter.

Final Drive 4.176 (Stock S54) = 1012.21 pounds

Final Drive 4.562 (96-2000 Rav4 E250) = 1105.78 pounds

Final Drive 4.933 (96-2000 Rav4 E250F) = 1195.70 pounds


Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.529 is 9.24%.
Increase in torque from 4.562 - 4.933 is 8.92%
Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.933 is 18.14%


Which means a 4.933 final drive in your s54 transmission will gain 27 ft lb torque + 152 = 179 ft lb tq


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Oct 16, 2017 - 5:32 AM


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- BonzaiCelica   Gear Ratios   Jan 12, 2010 - 9:17 PM
- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 13, 2010 - 2...   Jan 13, 2010 - 5:38 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   thanks edophus. So do you think the gearing for th...   Jan 13, 2010 - 11:17 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jan 13, 2010 - 4...   Jan 13, 2010 - 11:34 AM
- - Mstoochn   the S54 also cruises on the HWY at 3500RPM the RS...   Jan 13, 2010 - 7:50 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 14, 2010 - 12...   Jan 14, 2010 - 5:21 AM
- - pittfirefighter   camry e153 ftw   Jan 13, 2010 - 9:27 PM
- - Mstoochn   best idealistic trans i can think of for an NA 3s/...   Jan 14, 2010 - 5:46 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 14, 2010 - 10...   Jan 14, 2010 - 6:29 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   i just looked up this gear ratio calculator. can a...   Mar 4, 2010 - 7:22 AM
|- - azian_advanced   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 4, 2010 - 6...   Mar 7, 2010 - 9:47 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   anybody ^   Mar 7, 2010 - 5:54 PM
- - Rusty   Im a bit baffled about the e56 being able go have ...   Mar 7, 2010 - 11:59 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   useless and incorrect information....   Sep 6, 2011 - 2:17 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   I got the information from this link : http://www....   Sep 6, 2011 - 8:39 PM
|- - sir_smeghed   Does anyone know if the ring and pinion from the 4...   May 6, 2017 - 9:00 AM
|- - sir_smeghed   PLEASE! Someone..... I have an SW20 with an ...   Jun 9, 2017 - 5:30 AM
|- - slavie   QUOTE (sir_smeghed @ Jun 9, 2017 - 5...   Jun 9, 2017 - 9:49 AM
|- - sir_smeghed   That helps a lot, thanks. Since I left my last po...   Jun 9, 2017 - 10:58 PM
- - azian_advanced   i think you have the general idea.. but just remem...   Sep 6, 2011 - 11:46 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   no I am very well aware of the shorter gears that ...   Sep 7, 2011 - 12:43 AM
|- - Ted95   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 7, 2011 - 1...   Apr 30, 2012 - 10:49 AM
|- - mkernz22   QUOTE (Ted95 @ Apr 30, 2012 - 11:49 ...   Apr 30, 2012 - 11:15 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   someone help me put this to rest... so does the c ...   May 7, 2012 - 11:24 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   ok ok this is the one. BUMP   May 13, 2012 - 1:06 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   Which one of these pieces is the pinion? I know th...   Jul 3, 2012 - 4:31 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   bump!!   Jul 5, 2012 - 3:58 PM
- - rdyzz   sorry to review a dead thread, just try to get mor...   Jan 15, 2013 - 8:41 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   OEM s54 ring count is 71 teeth and pinion is 17 te...   Jan 15, 2013 - 9:32 PM
- - rdyzz   the output shaft gears look smaller than the s54...   Jan 16, 2013 - 4:35 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   Output shaft part numbers : S54 transmission : 3...   Mar 20, 2014 - 9:52 PM
- - mi645   im running e56 i like the trans but the gears r a ...   Mar 21, 2014 - 2:54 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   Final Drive Ring Gear specs : S55F transmission :...   Mar 22, 2014 - 3:04 AM
- - mkernz22   https://partsouq.com/en/catalog/toyota/part......   Mar 26, 2014 - 9:46 PM
- - mkernz22   ooooo, more info. http://www.newcelica.org/forum...   Mar 26, 2014 - 10:08 PM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Mar 26, 2014 - 10...   Mar 26, 2014 - 11:06 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   blah, useless info   Mar 10, 2017 - 6:33 PM
- - slavie   So were you ever able to rule out if C56 pinion wo...   Mar 24, 2017 - 10:13 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   it wouldn't work look at the part numbers....   Mar 27, 2017 - 1:03 PM


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