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post Jan 12, 2012 - 2:38 AM
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Hello, this would be my first elaborate post on here and I thought I'd get some feedback from you, the more experienced people.

I would like to know what your opinion on my idea for a boost build would be.

First off, I'm not going to use a CT-26. I would really like to, but the reason is that the ones I've found, that are NOT supra CT-26, are either in need of a rebuild or way too expensive for a small, old turbocharger, that isn't even a ball bearing to justify the price. That is my take on the CT-26. The CT-20b is way too rare, and expensive to rebuild in case I were to find one.


That leaves me with brand new eBay turbochargers. I have first-hand experience eBay turbochargers and I can say that some sellers do sell decent stuff. Ilovetacotaco sells some good turbo chargers.

My main question in relation to this topic is whether I should get a .50/.63 or .60/.63 turbo, considering I'll be using MegaSquirt-II or MS-III, undecided yet (have a friend that's been using them for more than 10 years now, he knows these EMS)

I plan on getting a cast T3 manifold with external wastegate. I'm looking to obtain above 250whp. I believe I should run relatively large injectors, right? Something like 460cc or more? Should I look into forged pistons and rods or should I just keep stock internals until I decide to go more boost?

My budget is about $2700, and this is what I've broken it down to.


1. Cast iron manifold $200 (add $50 for inside-out ceramic coating from a friend who does that)
2. Turbocharger ($150-$300)
3. Wastegate + BOV ($100)
4. Lines, flanges and welding work ($300)
5. TMIC or FMIC (~$300)
6. Pipes/t-clamps/silicone joints ($100)
7. MS-II ($400) / MS-III ($600)
8. 460cc RX-7 Injectors ($100)
9. Fuel Pump + Regulator ($200 if needed in the first place)
10. Gauges (Wideband, Boost, Oil Press. / $350-400)

Total: $2600

I know it'll be more expensive. I'm just wondering if I'd be able to get some things cheaper. I KNOW cheap/fast/reliable, but there's a fine line between what's considered "cheap" and just shelling out money for overpriced stuff.

I know I can rely on some eBay stuff. Most of the time cheap knockoffs are just as good as the originals, as most companies sell you something cheap for a lot of money because their brand name is on it.


Should I do TMIC or go for FMIC? I've already got the All-Trac hood, so I can fit a nice, small FMIC as a TMIC. I'd rather have a more simple setup, boosting 10-12psi. The less lines/pipes/etc, the better.


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post Jan 14, 2012 - 8:44 PM
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 13, 2012 - 11:13 PM) *
QUOTE (PolliS_5S-FE @ Jan 12, 2012 - 4:48 PM) *
I believe you will also need to relocate the oil filter

nope, left mine in the stock location.

for 2700 you can drop in a 1MZ-FE and have just as much power NA. did you find my thread on 5S turbo kits i make? you do NOT want an ebay turbo, they are chinese crap! you want a good garrett or turbonetics turbo. your budget kit that you pieced together will cost you way more in the long run.


It's not really as easy as it sounds. A swap takes more knowledge, time, budget and tools than a turbo, and I'm aware of that. Also, finding a good 1MZ that doesn't need a rebuild/refresh is kinda hard in Puerto Rico. If you do find one, it's probably already sold or waaaaay too expensive.

I'm also pretty set on going turbo, as you can see.

Any specific turbo you'd suggest? I want something without an internal wastegate.


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Posts in this topic
- Syaoran   5S-FE Turbo project   Jan 12, 2012 - 2:38 AM
- - thatmr2   I say save the trouble and just go with a GT4 clip...   Jan 12, 2012 - 12:02 PM
|- - dakotahwyatt   QUOTE (thatmr2 @ Jan 12, 2012 - 1:02...   Jan 12, 2012 - 2:08 PM
- - PolliS_5S-FE   sick of hearing the 'just go 3sgte' yeah y...   Jan 12, 2012 - 3:30 PM
|- - dakotahwyatt   QUOTE (PolliS_5S-FE @ Jan 12, 2012 ...   Jan 12, 2012 - 4:08 PM
- - rave2n   For his budget, he cannot go 3sgte. Though I hav...   Jan 12, 2012 - 5:29 PM
- - PolliS_5S-FE   you will need 3sgte oil pan too unless you weld th...   Jan 12, 2012 - 7:48 PM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (PolliS_5S-FE @ Jan 12, 2012 ...   Jan 13, 2012 - 10:13 PM
- - Syaoran   Not to sound rude but first off I dont want to be ...   Jan 13, 2012 - 5:44 PM
- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 13, 2012 - 11:13 ...   Jan 14, 2012 - 8:44 PM
- - Smaay   well you have US listed as location, you didnt say...   Jan 14, 2012 - 9:24 PM
- - Syaoran   I saw your kits. The only thing I could use is the...   Jan 14, 2012 - 10:42 PM
- - UndecidedPC9397   Thank god more people are coming out with these 5s...   Jan 15, 2012 - 12:38 AM
- - Smaay   then just use the stock 3S-GTE setup. but i can te...   Jan 15, 2012 - 12:57 AM
- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 15, 2012 - 1:57 A...   Jan 15, 2012 - 4:57 PM
- - Smaay   there is no PSI lost with a FMIC, only a tad more ...   Jan 15, 2012 - 8:18 PM
- - Syaoran   Update: bought an OEM manifold, cleaned up, opened...   Jan 28, 2012 - 12:33 AM
|- - JasonTX   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jan 28, 2012 - 1:33...   Jan 28, 2012 - 12:57 AM
- - Syaoran   Hey thanks for the comments. When it comes to the...   Jan 28, 2012 - 10:41 PM
- - presure2   Your on the right track, don't bother with the...   Feb 3, 2012 - 12:23 PM
- - Syaoran   Thanks for your comments presure. I was looking t...   Feb 3, 2012 - 4:42 PM
- - Smaay   you still have no idea what you are doing.... dude...   Feb 4, 2012 - 12:08 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 4, 2012 - 1:08 AM...   Feb 4, 2012 - 8:47 AM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Smaay @ Feb 4, 2012 - 1:08 AM...   Feb 4, 2012 - 10:10 PM
- - Smaay   i havent even mentioned my kits, i cont even produ...   Feb 5, 2012 - 1:40 AM
- - evo_lucian   I'm with smaay on this one. The OP is overcomp...   Feb 17, 2012 - 5:25 PM
- - 3WayStunna   OP i would just give extra attention to the ebay t...   Feb 17, 2012 - 8:36 PM
- - Syaoran   QUOTE (evo_lucian @ Feb 17, 2012 - 6...   Feb 19, 2012 - 11:13 PM
- - Smaay   you dont have to have a water cooled turbo, none o...   Feb 20, 2012 - 10:14 AM
- - Syaoran   So as far as an update. Before doing anything forc...   Apr 19, 2012 - 6:13 PM


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