WTA intercooling, For a 6th gen celica forum why arent we talking more about this??? Options

[3WayStunna]

Alright this isnt meant to be a thread where i post a random question and hope for a decent answer...no this thread is more like a info and question dump for those who choose either way.

Lets be honest some of us on this forum own GT4's or we get the WTA intercooling system in front clips and think its all hunky dory to just throw on our cars without any real concise or group info on this....FORUM.....to help us out...

So hows about we get this started...Come on ppl this is about helping each other out and i guess ill start..first off this....my simplistic view..

The real benefits of an WTA system are below.....

***Shorter piping btwn the turbo and intake manifold means less intercooler pressure drop
*** Less intercooler piping
***incredibly less lag time
*** colder intake temps
***more space in engine bay for any type of battery
*** colder engine temps due to more air hitting the radiator (esp if you ditch the aircon)
***running incog-negro...basically no gaudy or tacky FMIC lol.....Sleeper status, etc....

And the drawbacks are this...

*** Weight....the piping etc. not so much but the water will add some LBS..
***complexity....not really to be honest but requires more parts, means more points for failure..only as complex as you want it though..
***weight distribution...more weight on the front of car obviously...

Now a breakdown of the main parts......

***WTA core
***heat exchanger
***PUMP
***misc hoses/fittings/piping etc....

To be honest a decent kit can be setup for around 300-500 usd depending on where you get your parts.
The parts i just ordered were from www.siliconeintakes.com OR www.frozenboost.com ( there the same company btw)

Now while i provided a list of the basic parts and really just one company that sells everything you can order your stuff from, there are alot of other things to consider.

***type of pump and whether you want it to run constantly or at set time
***fans for the radiator
*** hot you will prevent heatsoak of the CORE itself
***where to put all of this stuff....
***type of fittings and whether you will use rubber or silicone to connect your aluminum/steel piping
***type of fluid to be used
*** and the list can go on and on depending on how crazy and exotic you want to go...


And yes all of those above considerations are real world done by myself and many other WELL experianced people in the MR2 an Celica world.....

Guide and link to typical setup..
http://www.haywood-sullivan.com/vana...ler_system.pdf

Details of my celica setup....

***Stock WTA intercooler (wrapped with heatshielding to prevent heatsoak - not in this pic though)
***silicone hose btwn the intecooler and turbo (actually made a differnce in temps/response time...never figured out why though)
***aluminum radiator w/2 small fans wired to a switch
***pump only ran as stock (when throttle signal was present)



Looking to see others post setups of their own or other ideas as i basically posted very simple info regarding WTA setups...there is much that can be covered and even more that has been proven or typed....later on ill post up some info from MR2oc.com and gt4oc.net with respective rights given to the authers to avoid typing up info that has been covered numerous times by people with more experiance and just better typing skills than myself lol..

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Jan 12, 2012 - 12:28 AM

[Sunny]

Hi,
after hours, days or month of comparing ATA and WTA i become also a big fan of WTA

there is a further benefit you missed to list, water with his very high specific heat capacity is able to compensate not enough air flow which is the reason why i'am not a using
fans to the pre-radiator, in general you are just in need of a fan when there is not enough air flow

i'am using the following system

- uprated TTE group A spec intercooler (one more row and a different water side)
- TTE swirlpot
- jabsco 80L/min pump (with 54-killer)
- custom pre-radiator with shroud
- higher water amount in the intercooler liquid (1:1,5)
- TRD 1,5bar caps (~110°C boiling point)

here some pictures















greetz

This post has been edited by Sunny: Jan 14, 2012 - 1:03 PM

[3WayStunna]

Hi,
after hours, days or month of comparing ATA and WTA i become also a big fan of WTA

there is a further benefit you missed to list, water with his very high specific heat capacity is able to compensate not enough air flow which is the reason why i'am not a using
fans to the pre-radiator, in general you are just in need of a fan when there is not enough air flow

i'am using the following system

- uprated TTE group A spec intercooler (one more row and a different water side)
- TTE swirlpot
- jabsco 80L/min pump (with 54-killer)
- custom pre-radiator with shroud
- higher water amount in the intercooler liquid (1:1,5)
- TRD 1,5bar caps (~110°C boiling point)

here some pictures















greetz

Sunny what a great setup you have. How do you like the jabsco pump and are you running it constant?
Anywho you also made alot of good points, one in regards to water's ability to take a while to "heat up" versus air and even in your spec list. Could you possibly explain for others sake why you choose some of what you have in your setup. Like why the jabsco pump versus some of the cheapest out there and why a swirlpot in a WTA setup. (btw i would like to say something on it but i think you could word it better than me ^_^)

Personally i feel like i should explain why i choose to use fans in my own setup. Basically it was due to the area on the world i was in. I daily drove my car and for those who do or dont know, the 205's pump only runs when the throttle signal is present. Otherwise the water can just sit there keeping the heat it should be loosing. So all of the water that was sitting in my larger radiator was getting cool air over whenever my car was sitting (which was at least 70% of the time).

So i guess it can be said that these setups could use some imagination depending on how your car/engine will be used..