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post Feb 9, 2012 - 5:59 PM
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Lightweight AGM/GEL batteries are a great alternative and are sometimes priced nearly the same as regular Lead Acid batteries


Just to touch on a few of the basics before we begin:

Cold Cranking Amps:

CCA is critical for good cranking ability. It's the number of amps a battery can support for 30 seconds at a temperature of 0 degrees F until the battery voltage drops to unusable levels. A 12V battery with a rating of 600 CCA means the battery will provide 600 amps for 30 seconds at 0 degrees before the voltage falls to 7.20 V (six cells).

In general, with CCA, the higher the number the better. HOWEVER, if you live in a cold climate, the CCA rating should be an important consideration in choosing a battery. Conversely, if you live in a high heat climate, you don't need as much CCA.


Battery Types:
AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat) - i.e. Braille and Optima
Gel Cell - i.e. Oddessy

A couple differences between Gel and AGM
Gel batteries tend to lose power faster than AGM batteries in temperatures below 32°F. AGM batteries, on the other hand, excel in high current and high power applications as well as extremely cold environments.
Gel batteries typically have a higher price point, shorter life span and less size compatibility than their AGM counterparts.

Benefits of Lightweight Sealed Batteries
- can be mounted and used in almost any position (versus conventional batteries, which must remain upright)
- are sealed and non-spillable
- maintenance-free
- no fume emissions (trace)
- more resistant to vibration


Here is a detailed list of aftermarket batteries that may or may not fit your applications. If you want to get extreme, some of the lightweight batteries like Oddessy, Deka, Braille, etc are great. Although rugged they tend to lack the reliability of a large lead acid battery. Take this into consideration. Especially if your in a colder climate.


As far as I know - All the CCA for the manufacturers is done at 0F, and the CA at 32F, all this info is off the manufacturers websites.

If you want 100% factory reliability even at 0F you want to be shopping around for something that will have at least 360CCA.
For those of you where the weather gets in the negative digits (F) you will want something that has a CCA > 360 at 0F

If your car isnt on an extreme diet or you are trying to allocate space for other go-fast bits just stick with a regular lead acid store bought battery


READ THIS:
Deka Batteries are more than likely to be Deka ETX rebadged -- Their advertised CCA IS PROBABLY NOT PERFORMED AT 0F.
The Deka brand are the exact same battery as the Braille, just MUCH CHEAPER. Just different labeling. Braille operates under Deka.
(as of 2012)


AVG Weight of a regular replacement battery is around 37lbs.


By Brand:


Braille:
Braille B3121 ----------CCA: 550 ---- weight: 21lb ---------------- CA: 742
Braille B2015 ----------CCA: 425 ---- weight: 15lb ---------------- CA: 574
Braille B14115 ---------CCA: 360 ---- weight: 11lb,8oz ------------ CA: 486
Braille B106 -----------CCA: 210 ---- weight: 6lb,6oz ------------- CA: 283

The Braille B2317 and B2317R are meant to be combined (One Positively Charged the other Negative) To be able to run 24v
Information pertaining to the conditions the Braille batteries where tested in where not listed, Therefore the u
nusually high CCA kind of disproves the statement that DEKA and Braille are not similar but I am working on more info on that.

Deka:
Deka ETX30 -----------CCA: 370 ---- weight: 21.7lb
Deka ETX20 -----------CCA: 270 ---- weight: 15.5lb
Deka ETX18 -----------CCA: 300 ---- weight: 18lb
Deka ETX16 -----------CCA: 275 ---- weight: 17lb
Deka ETX14 -----------CCA: 200 ---- weight: 12lb
Deka ETX12 -----------CCA: 180 ---- weight: 9.4lb
Deka ETX9 -----------CCA: 120 ---- weight: 6.3lb



Odyssey:
Odyssey PC680 --------CCA: 220 --- weight: 15lb / 16lb For MJT*
Odyssey PC925/MJT ---CCA: 380 --- weight: 24lb / 26lb For MJT*

Optima:
Optima 34&34R --------CCA 800 -----weight: 37.9lb --------------- CA: 1000 (34R has reversed terminals)
Optima 37/78 ----------CCA 800 ---- weight: 38.8lb --------------- CA: 1000
Optima 75/25 ----------CCA 720 ---- weight: 33.1lb --------------- CA: 910
Optima 25&35 ---------CCA 720 ----- weight: 31.7lb --------------- CA: 910


Duralast:
Duralast 8AMU1R ------CCA: 330 ---- weight: 20lb
AGM Duracell Ultra SLIU1RT ------CCA:370 ---- weight: 24lbs


Marathon:
Marathon MAR-8AMU1R-CCA: 320 ---- weight: 25lb



By CCA:
Optima 34&34R --------CCA 800 -----weight: 37.9lb -------------- CA: 1000
Optima 37/78 ----------CCA 800 ---- weight: 38.8lb -------------- CA: 1000
Optima 75/25 ----------CCA 720 ---- weight: 33.1lb -------------- CA: 910
Optima 25&35 ---------CCA 720 ----- weight: 31.7lb -------------- CA: 910
Braille B3121 ----------CCA: 550 ---- weight: 21lb ---------------- CA: 742
Westco Miata ---------CCA: 475 ---- weight: 25lb
Braille B2015 ----------CCA: 425 ---- weight: 15lb ---------------- CA: 574
Odyssey PC925/MJT ---CCA: 380 ---- weight: 24lb / 26lb For
MJT*
Deka ETX30 -----------CCA: 370 ---- weight: 21.7lb
Duracell Ultra SLIU1RT AGM ------CCA:370 ---- weight: 24lbs
Braille B14115 ---------CCA: 360 ---- weight: 11lb,8oz ------------ CA: 486
Duralast 8AMU1R ------CCA: 330 ---- weight: 20lb
Marathon MAR-8AMU1R-CCA: 320 ---- weight: 25lb
Deka ETX18 -----------CCA: 300 ---- weight: 18lb
Deka ETX16 -----------CCA: 275 ---- weight: 17lb
Deka ETX20 -----------CCA: 270 ---- weight: 15.5lb
Odyssey PC680 --------CCA: 220 ---- weight: 15lb / 16lb For
MJT*
Braille B106 -----------CCA: 210 ---- weight: 6lb,6oz ------------- CA: 283
Deka ETX14 -----------CCA: 200 ---- weight: 12lb
Deka ETX12 -----------CCA: 180 ---- weight: 9.4lb
Deka ETX9 -----------CCA: 120 ---- weight: 6.3lb


By Weight:
Optima 37/78 ----------CCA 800 ---- weight: 38.8lb --------------- CA: 1000
Optima 34&34R --------CCA 800 -----weight: 37.9lb --------------- CA: 1000
Optima 75/25 ----------CCA 720 ---- weight: 33.1lb --------------- CA: 910
Optima 25&35 ---------CCA 720 ----- weight: 31.7lb --------------- CA: 910
Westco Miata ---------CCA: 475 ---- weight: 25lb
Marathon MAR-8AMU1R-CCA: 320 ---- weight: 25lb
AGM Duracell Ultra SLIU1RT ------CCA:370 ---- weight: 24lbs
Odyssey PC925/MJT ---CCA: 380 --- weight: 24lb / 26lb For
MJT*
Deka ETX30 -----------CCA: 370 ---- weight: 21.7lb
Braille B3121 ----------CCA: 550 ---- weight: 21lb ---------------- CA: 742
Duralast 8AMU1R ------CCA: 330 ---- weight: 20lb
Braille B14115 ---------CCA: 360 ---- weight: 11lb,8oz ------------ CA: 486
Deka ETX18 -----------CCA: 300 ---- weight: 18lb
Deka ETX16 -----------CCA: 275 ---- weight: 17lb
Deka ETX20 -----------CCA: 270 ---- weight: 15.5lb
Odyssey PC680 --------CCA: 220 --- weight: 15lb / 16lb For
MJT*
Braille B2015 ----------CCA: 425 ---- weight: 15lb ---------------- CA: 574
Deka ETX14 -----------CCA: 200 ---- weight: 12lb
Deka ETX12 -----------CCA: 180 ---- weight: 9.4lb
Braille B106 -----------CCA: 210 ---- weight: 6lb,6oz ------------- CA: 283
Deka ETX9 -----------CCA: 120 ---- weight: 6.3lb




*MJT: Metal Jacket + Terminals (MJT is applied to protect plastic case for extreme high heat conditions)


Warranty Information:

In my opinion this is a critical area when deciding which battery to go with. I will add more information as I get it.

Marathon MAR-8AMU1R (1Year Warranty)
Westco 12V31M (4 Year Warranty)
Duralast 8AMU1R (8Year Warranty - apparently WAS avaible at autozone)



More info:

DEKA:
Come with M6 Thread on terminals - you will need adapter to SAE automotive Terminals.
Rebadged as BigCrank, Braille and other brands // BigCrank has a cheap price.

This post has been edited by Tigawoods: Mar 8, 2016 - 7:12 AM


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post Feb 11, 2012 - 12:51 AM
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since you do autocross, I'd suggest moving the light weight battery to the passenger side floor (to take the wheel off the front of the car, thus creating less understeer) well I don't have to spoon feed you this info, your probably know more than I do laugh.gif


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- Tigawoods   Lightweight Batteries   Feb 9, 2012 - 5:59 PM
- - 808celica   What about using other car batteries in our cars, ...   Feb 10, 2012 - 3:25 AM
- - Tigawoods   yeah post up what you come up with   Feb 10, 2012 - 8:42 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   since you do autocross, I'd suggest moving the...   Feb 11, 2012 - 12:51 AM
- - 808celica   dont forget, half your job is to remind me about t...   Feb 11, 2012 - 4:01 AM
- - yellowchinaman   sooooo size is most important for me which is why ...   Feb 12, 2012 - 2:52 PM
- - Tigawoods   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Feb 11, 2012 - 12...   Feb 13, 2012 - 9:39 AM
|- - yellowchinaman   QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Feb 13, 2012 - 9...   Feb 13, 2012 - 4:05 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   hehe I'm so glad our so cal weather (controlle...   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:01 PM
- - Tigawoods   QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Feb 13, 2012 - 4...   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:24 PM
- - yellowchinaman   I'll try and lok it up Tigs but pls do let me ...   Feb 14, 2012 - 9:05 AM
- - Bitter   http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DUI-5575B/ I...   Feb 14, 2012 - 8:39 PM
- - DGolden32   Consider a Dry cell battery. They are more expens...   Mar 1, 2012 - 5:02 PM
- - SwissFerdi   ^ That's hella cheap, and 14 pounds. I think ...   Mar 2, 2012 - 10:15 AM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Mar 2, 2012 - 11...   Mar 2, 2012 - 1:07 PM
- - Bitter   Around 650 CCA on that BT20. Rough rule of thumb i...   Mar 3, 2012 - 4:29 PM
- - DGolden32   DISCLAIMER The [20] is for the amp hours. That b...   Mar 3, 2012 - 9:03 PM
- - Bitter   All LED interior lighting here.   Mar 3, 2012 - 9:31 PM
- - Tigawoods   finally settled on one and got a Braille B2105 15l...   Jan 3, 2013 - 9:03 AM
- - playr158   why you no relocate?   Jan 3, 2013 - 12:54 PM
- - Tigawoods   I have this medical condition called laziness. No...   Jan 3, 2013 - 1:37 PM
- - Special_Edy   You would also need a battery designed to be vente...   Jan 12, 2013 - 12:15 AM
- - Special_Edy   You would also need a battery designed to be vente...   Jan 12, 2013 - 12:27 AM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Jan 12, 2013 - 12...   Jan 13, 2013 - 3:53 AM
- - Tigawoods   Well as I expected: I had the car running at 14.5 ...   Apr 10, 2013 - 3:01 PM
- - Tigawoods   Looking over this again to edit in the wake of a f...   Mar 3, 2016 - 11:36 AM
- - 955SFE   I have a AntiGravity Battery. Its about 3-4lbs. Be...   Mar 4, 2016 - 10:39 PM
- - Bitter   I've been running a Antigravity AG1601 all las...   Mar 4, 2016 - 11:11 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   Dang bro. Do you even race. Thats lotsa money. See...   Mar 6, 2016 - 2:25 PM
- - Bitter   I was just curious, not having 35lbs hanging over ...   Mar 6, 2016 - 5:07 PM
- - Tigawoods   Cool info! Ill add them to the list. Ive neve...   Mar 6, 2016 - 5:12 PM


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