 Boosting Beams, Plans and improvement on those plans |
 Jul 5, 2012 - 11:40 PM
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I' ve been considering this as my build progresses and it's something I want to do after I get the car on the road.... but something I want to do nonetheless. I don't want a terribly high investment but 200+ WHP would be a great feeling.... and this is where I'm looking for expertise outside of mine....
Internals are remaining factory Looking at going with a supercharger and I don't really like how "cluttered" the engine bay looks with a turbo .... it also isn't as "peaky" and should be more smooth to the power My initial thought is that I want to keep the stock ECU so I'm assuming I have to stay at about 5psi or so for this to happen? I'm frankly not sure what the stock beams ecu can handle as far as boost is concerned. Any thoughts? What are my best tuning options? I want something that is tunable and the toyota ecu not be able to change it (if that makes sense... these things are smart) I want to keep the CR stock as well. With a proper tune, and the low boost numbers it shouldn't be a big deal I don't think, just gotta watch for knock Keeping the boost low like that, I'm HOPING that the stock fuel pump is adequate to handle the increased load... More importantly the injector size of the BEAMS has been debated. The books say 340 cc while the bench test hat the guy did on Daniels injectors reported 400 cc flat. If they are 400cc, I don't think I'll need to upgrade those either... but again, I just don't know. My biggest questions at the moment are involved around ECU and the tuning, but any and all help would be appreciated --------------------  |
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Jul 23, 2012 - 3:32 PM
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The supercharger idea seems interesting to me, because both the BEAMS and the SC work best at high RPM. Seems like a better match than turbo. May run into mounting issues, since the 3S-GE is tilted back slightly.
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Jul 23, 2012 - 5:07 PM
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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Jul 23, 2012 - 3:32 PM)  The supercharger idea seems interesting to me, because both the BEAMS and the SC work best at high RPM. Seems like a better match than turbo. May run into mounting issues, since the 3S-GE is tilted back slightly. Should be plenty of space behind the block.... But I agree, the SC may be better. One reason is the lack of turbo exhaust manifolds, or even aftermarket ex manifolds period for the BEAMS. Just depends on if you could adapt cheaper parts that work IF your goals are low amounts of boost. I've been trying to acquire an old GM supercharger off of an old buick regal to see if there is any way to dis assemble and mount it up... namely because those parts are plentiful and one could reasonably get one for cheap if you knew where to look -------------------- |
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Jul 24, 2012 - 11:02 AM
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A supercharger isn't better or safer than a turbo. Turbo lets you do much more than a supercharger. If you want the turbo to work at high RPMs only, you can put on a GT35R. If you want to compliment the BEAMS, you can do so with a smaller turbo, have it give the engine a little torque before VVT-i then a huge boost in power when the VVT-i goes on.
The supercharger will take away low-end power in exchange for a tiny bit (compared to a turbo) high-end power... And like I said it's not "safer". It would take a lot more fabrication than a turbo. If you wanted, you could literally weld a flange at the collector of the stock header and put the turbo there. You could cut your stock manifold flange and adapt it to a previous-gen stainless steel manifold (like the 2nd gen 3sgte tubular manifold)... etc etc. -------------------- 1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold
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Jul 24, 2012 - 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jul 24, 2012 - 11:02 AM) If you wanted, you could literally weld a flange at the collector of the stock header and put the turbo there. You could cut your stock manifold flange and adapt it to a previous-gen stainless steel manifold (like the 2nd gen 3sgte tubular manifold)... etc etc. I have all the welding and fab skiills needed for any of this...and this is a heck of an idea. Keep the stock header and 4-2 and 2-1 collector of the stock beams b-pipe, and then put your turbo and turbo flange etc etc under the car. protect it with an underbelly pan like vincent doggy and culpable sell, or make your own.. or put it afte the 4-2 collector and have in the front but down and out of the way towards the front before subframe gets in the way.... Syaoran, nice idea... But also good idea about taking a gen two manifold and adapting the beams mounting plate... I've got all the welders needed for that.... I just ate how it looks. Afte the collector feels like it would be a "cleaner" look. This post has been edited by ricochet1490: Jul 24, 2012 - 11:44 AM -------------------- |
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ricochet1490 Boosting Beams Jul 5, 2012 - 11:40 PM
njccmd2002 this will cost you a pretty penny, unfortunately i... Jul 6, 2012 - 12:07 AM delusionz doing the quick and dirty, maybe you should ask th... Jul 6, 2012 - 12:35 AM ricochet1490 The beams head flows better than a gen 3. And I... Jul 6, 2012 - 9:47 AM Syaoran First thing you have to consider is the chance of ... Jul 6, 2012 - 11:08 AM ricochet1490 I want to keep the good qualities of the beams if ... Jul 6, 2012 - 1:03 PM
Syaoran QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Jul 6, 2012 - 2... Jul 6, 2012 - 1:27 PM ricochet1490 So check mark on the piggyback. Got it.
Now it sho... Jul 6, 2012 - 1:43 PM Syaoran QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Jul 6, 2012 - 2... Jul 6, 2012 - 2:48 PM delusionz Yeah forget the high compression, even a stock gen... Jul 6, 2012 - 3:06 PM ricochet1490 As per toyo diy, the caldina turbo and the beams h... Jul 6, 2012 - 5:07 PM Syaoran I insist, what you want from the beams isn't t... Jul 6, 2012 - 5:20 PM richee3 Nobody is arguing that the 3S-GTE is better than t... Jul 6, 2012 - 5:42 PM ricochet1490 Dan you pretty much pegged it. Lol thanks buddy Jul 6, 2012 - 6:03 PM Smaay you guys and your Boners for BEAMS. Im still not i... Jul 6, 2012 - 6:50 PM ricochet1490 Smaay,
Thanks for the rod insight....
I almost d... Jul 6, 2012 - 7:39 PM Syaoran QUOTE (richee3 @ Jul 6, 2012 - 6:42 ... Jul 6, 2012 - 8:16 PM ricochet1490 So I learned today... to help answer some question... Jul 8, 2012 - 9:27 PM Neon90424 I thought caldina rods were made of cheese... Seem... Jul 16, 2012 - 6:38 AM ricochet1490 the trouble for me has been finding either an afte... Jul 16, 2012 - 9:28 AM kurt95gt QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Jul 16, 2012 - 9... Jul 16, 2012 - 10:24 AM ricochet1490 triple post Jul 16, 2012 - 9:29 AM Syaoran Tuning a car isn't that hard, ESPECIALLY when ... Jul 16, 2012 - 11:24 AM ricochet1490 QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jul 16, 2012 - 11:2... Jul 18, 2012 - 9:12 PM 3WayStunna Think ill keep my eye on this thread; See how it d... Jul 16, 2012 - 11:25 AM Neon90424 theres a booosted Altezza down here...boosted blac... Jul 18, 2012 - 7:25 PM Syaoran The e-manage works on practically any car. You jus... Jul 18, 2012 - 9:42 PM KAOS Very interested to see how this turns out. Jul 24, 2012 - 12:59 PM ricochet1490 what do the pros think?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Br... Jul 26, 2012 - 5:58 PM ricochet1490 better yet....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl... Jul 26, 2012 - 10:52 PM delusionz you need atleast a t28 spec turbo for a 2L, that l... Jul 27, 2012 - 10:32 AM delusionz a regular t28bb non-rs would be best bet for a tur... Jul 27, 2012 - 10:52 AM ricochet1490 Delusionz - I wish we had a "thank" butt... Jul 27, 2012 - 8:02 PM delusionz http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/turbo... Jul 29, 2012 - 8:21 PM Syaoran Here's an item you could look into:
http://ww... Aug 4, 2012 - 8:35 PM Neon90424 I did the same thing have the same manifold, order... Aug 6, 2012 - 12:58 AM 3WayStunna I would take a read at this mans testimonial...And... Aug 6, 2012 - 3:58 PM ricochet1490 links already posted on page 1. read them both. Bu... Aug 6, 2012 - 9:56 PM 3WayStunna QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ Aug 6, 2012 - 9... Aug 8, 2012 - 10:15 AM BonzaiCelica http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams-parts-swap...et-up... Sep 28, 2012 - 6:32 PM ricochet1490 holy shat..... i'm speecheless Sep 28, 2012 - 7:03 PM BonzaiCelica that would be nice!! for $3,600 plus ... Sep 28, 2012 - 11:29 PM njccmd2002 after so much money he quit?
he spent years devel... Sep 30, 2012 - 8:54 AM richee3 He's not quitting. He's going bigger. Sep 30, 2012 - 9:20 AM njccmd2002 I think hes going to sell it... but then again may... Sep 30, 2012 - 9:36 PM Smaay that is not worth it to me. i wouldnt spend anywhe... Oct 1, 2012 - 8:32 AM kurt95gt Seems like a lot of work to end up with a 3sgte wi... Oct 1, 2012 - 9:45 AM BonzaiCelica GEEZ ALL YOU DEBBIE DOWNERS, we know you can spend... Oct 1, 2012 - 12:19 PM Smaay i dont know what everyone fascination with the BEA... Oct 1, 2012 - 3:04 PM ricochet1490 They could have made it out of aluminum.... you an... Oct 1, 2012 - 6:41 PM kurt95gt The v6 is more about the two lol
It feels a lot f... Oct 1, 2012 - 8:05 PM BonzaiCelica yea they could of made it aluminum. Also to my sur... Oct 3, 2012 - 11:22 AM |
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