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post Dec 27, 2012 - 5:47 PM
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Since i have pretty much completed my gt four engine wise. machined and head kit also installed. I feel like building a 10k rpm engine with a 3sgte. I was looking at 3sgte's and I have decided to go with the newer ST215 engine since I have found them cheap on Ebay for 1k, and have it shipped by boat to PY. Going to buy an engine mount and set it up in my living room.

I figure the side intake manifold is better flowing than the 3rd gen and COP system to be nicer for a high rpm flowing engine.

Im looking for advice and tips. My plan goes as follows.

Buy and bring the engine.

Major tear down with about 100 ziplock bags and catalog it.

Clean it completely. turn the pistons and conrods into some sort of table or ashtray or shot glasses.

Take the head apart. polish it. have it machined for .5mm over exhaust valves and 1mm over intake valves.

looking to go shimless bucket. TI retainers and BC valve springs.

machine the crank lightening it up as much as possible without unbalancing it and compromising its strength.

eagle rods and cp pistons. acl bearings.

maybe make a custom aluminum oil pan? I need advice on the oil pump and flow for this engine.

I will set up a nice Injector dynamics based fuel delivery system that can handle the injection speed for 10k rpm.

polish the intake manifold runners...


I need True and false advice. I read that the oil pump the st215 engine has is higher flowing and water pump as well.

the head has better flow and the manifold as well... The exhaust manifold and turbo is going to be sold.

This is going to be a 400-500 hp engine. the donor car is still not decided to me as I will complete the engine first and I will do this real slow say a year or 2 So i might pick up and ST185 and drop this in.

thoughts ideas advice? flame?


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post Dec 28, 2012 - 4:12 AM
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If you are going to try for 10k rpms, then fuel delivery should be a main concern. I thought about running dual injectors on each cylinder, mainly so I could use stock injectors for cheap, but also to prolong the injectors by not pushing them to their max. Just lengthen their dwell time at higher RPMs, you would have twice the time to do it since the injectors would be working at half the normal rate. It's pretty easy to set it up in the Autronic SM4, you just configure the engine as a v8 instead of a 4 cylinder and the two injectors on each cylinder will take turns firing on each revolution. And running the individual coils won't change anything because the computer can be configured to run a wasted spark setup (how a v8 would be configured if it has only 4 coils with two plug wires off of each one). For coils I used 1.8T Jetta coils, but some years were bad. 00/01 coils are the better ones, after that they keep failing. I wouldn't mind helping you if you get an Autronic SM4 ecu to run it, it has to be an SM4 though, not SM2 or SMC. I'll even email you my wire diagram that I made that shows you what wires to connect on the autronic to what pins on the sensor plugs, but it only applies to the SM4. A side effect of running the dual injector setup is the tach will be cut in half, since the Autronic ecu will see two revolutions as one revolution. So your 10k RPM limit will be hard to explain as you have trouble hitting 5k...then 5.5k..haha. And for your two injectors per cylinder to be bolted in, you will have to look into having an intake manifold machined to accept the second set of injectors. That's how I would do it..but there are other ways...less expensive ways. Dual injectors would rock though!

I'm planning on putting another youtube video up tomorrow on the progress of my car, I'll touch on some sensor wire-ins a little bit. The Autronic only needs TPS, IAT, Coolant Temp, Timing signal (I used an old distributor), and IACV to work, I also wired in a wideband o2 though.

I would imagine since you have a 10k rpm goal then price isn't an issue?


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95 GT conv. project car: Manual, Gen III 3sgte, JN pisons, Eagle rods, overbore, crank knife-edged, crank scraper, ARP head/main/flywheel, Autronic EMS, Haltech Dual Wideband O2 controller, Audi 1.8T individual coils, FMIC and SSQV BOV, 3" downpipe, 3" ultra-high-flow cat, 2.5" Borla muffler, +other
01 S2000: FMIC, Haltech EMS, Haltech wideband, 570cc inj, forged pistons/rods, sleeved block, 5 angle valve job, ported and polished
02 R6, all stock, except for braided stainless brake lines, frame sliders, and adjustable brake/clutch leve

Posts in this topic
- Neon90424   Long term living room project   Dec 27, 2012 - 5:47 PM
- - Neon90424   http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-Toyota-Celica-...d69...   Dec 27, 2012 - 5:57 PM
- - delusionz   my favourite st205 on youtube of all time, probabl...   Dec 28, 2012 - 12:56 AM
- - match220   If you are going to try for 10k rpms, then fuel de...   Dec 28, 2012 - 4:12 AM
- - Neon90424   Nah price isnt really an issue since I have pretty...   Dec 28, 2012 - 9:14 AM
- - delusionz   v8 nonsense 1 rail, 2000cc injectors, twin fuel p...   Dec 28, 2012 - 10:21 AM
- - Special_Edy   The biggest issue is the physical limitations of s...   Dec 28, 2012 - 1:31 PM
- - Neon90424   well if I wanted a high revving N/A i would buy a ...   Dec 28, 2012 - 6:08 PM
- - presure2   lots of silly talk in this thread. think light. fo...   Dec 29, 2012 - 11:11 AM
- - Neon90424   yeah I was guessing I would have to go Dry Sump. U...   Dec 29, 2012 - 6:41 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   10k seems way to high. not even the guys can reach...   Dec 30, 2012 - 1:41 PM
- - Neon90424   I don't think 10k to be absurd, 15k yes ...11k...   Dec 30, 2012 - 2:04 PM
- - delusionz   im thinking this is going to be a 1/4 mile only mo...   Dec 31, 2012 - 8:44 PM
- - Bladey   Revving to 10k is just great but you need to think...   Dec 31, 2012 - 9:05 PM
- - Neon90424   I think the black top oil pump with a vacuum pump ...   Dec 31, 2012 - 10:51 PM
- - Neon90424   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8OQCHG__6M It ca...   Dec 31, 2012 - 10:54 PM
- - Neon90424   The 1az has a bore and stroke of 86mm and a forged...   Jan 2, 2013 - 1:47 AM
- - playr158   its possible.... but WHY.....what is the point?...   Jan 2, 2013 - 9:28 AM
- - Special_Edy   I hope you have a comfortable pickup truck to tow ...   Jan 2, 2013 - 1:02 PM
- - Neon90424   Well i figured i'd buy a cheap st185 and throw...   Jan 2, 2013 - 5:02 PM
- - bloodMoney   If you're serious, jump on alltrac.net and PM ...   Jan 2, 2013 - 8:09 PM
- - Neon90424   thanks man I didn't know that forum was still ...   Jan 2, 2013 - 9:30 PM
- - Special_Edy   I finally figured it out, you just want to be able...   Jan 9, 2013 - 2:12 PM
- - Neon90424   >_<! DAMN! you got me buddy...Gonna ...   Jan 9, 2013 - 7:01 PM
- - delusionz   RE: Long term living room project   Jan 9, 2013 - 7:32 PM
- - Smaay   you gotta remember something if you are not making...   Jan 9, 2013 - 7:39 PM
- - Neon90424   you've seen many dyno charts I believe smaay, ...   Jan 10, 2013 - 5:27 AM
- - Neon90424   Engine is bought and shipped for 1 grand. This pro...   Jan 14, 2013 - 2:14 PM
- - Smaay   i think 272 cams peak out around 6800 RPMs i cant ...   Jan 18, 2013 - 11:27 AM
- - Neon90424   hmmm, ok so I need some ridiculous custom made cam...   Jan 19, 2013 - 10:55 AM
- - presure2   Guys are making power up and over 8800rpm with 272...   Jan 19, 2013 - 11:27 AM
- - Special_Edy   Wont the turbocharger help it breath significantly...   Jan 19, 2013 - 6:51 PM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (presure2 @ Jan 19, 2013 - 8:2...   Jan 21, 2013 - 5:06 PM
- - Rusty   hit up kelford cams in new zealand, they list a ra...   Jan 24, 2013 - 1:59 AM
- - Neon90424   thanks for all the info guys! really appreciat...   Jan 30, 2013 - 7:44 PM
- - celica74   Your insane! i like it! Youll not only nee...   Jan 30, 2013 - 10:24 PM
- - Neon90424   The engine has arrived, time to get it to the shop...   Apr 12, 2013 - 10:20 AM
- - Neon90424   Got the engine, took it apart, one rod bearing has...   Apr 13, 2013 - 7:20 PM
- - Neon90424   engine is in the machine shop, forged pistons .5 o...   Feb 25, 2014 - 8:56 PM
- - Neon90424   Ordered BC valve springs GSC 274 cams, cam pulleys...   Feb 27, 2014 - 1:35 AM


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