 ST very slow, is it suppose to be slow or not?? |
 Feb 25, 2004 - 4:33 PM
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I had a 87 ST, and that was a fast, zippy car. I had to sell it and now i bouht an 95 ST. I assumed it would be faster or at least the same speed. However it is slow, a 87 is much faster in accelaration. Do I have a probelm with the engine? Or is this just the speed of the 6th gen STs??
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Feb 27, 2004 - 11:49 PM
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That's the trade off. True all-motor engines have very crappy low-end torque. They're not designed to be there. Even with the cam timing and lift and such, it's hard to design the motors to spit out a ton of low-end torque with the very high-end power. Turbos and such can do it with ease, but that also brings in a new list of problems and maintence. Of course, larger displacement would also, but that will defeat the purpose of anwell-tuned import motor. Might as well muscle with the domestics. Honestly speaking though (IMO), the trade off is well worth the high-end power. As for the overstating HP ratings... Toyota actually does it quite a bit with their n/a engines. All of the 4AGE motors were overstated in one way or another. Most of them make only 100 hp or so at the crank, aside from the high-comp redtop which makes roughly 120-130 hp. The 20 valve, as mentioned, only makes 10hp or so more than the redtop. The only cool thing about it, is the sound of individual throttle bodies and the being it has 20 VALVES! The only reason the 20 valve was rated at 160hp was to compete against Civic SiR's and Cerios in Japan. Even the 3SGE's were highly overstated. 2nd gens were rated at 160-170 hp while only making 140-150. The 3rd gens rated at 170-180 only pushed 160-170... and of course, the Beams rated at 200-210 when they're actually only around 180-190. The only major difference betweens the beams and the 3rd gen 3SGE, aside from the pretty valve cover and intake manifold, was the compression was raised slightly, and VVTi was added (along with DLI and other little electrical goodies). Even still, VVTi only imporved throttle response and low-end response. It didn't greatly increase horsepower at all. All of the 3SGE's made around 135-150 ft lbs (seems like a lot... but they made that around 5k rpms) of torque while the 4AGE's made around 100-130. This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Feb 27, 2004 - 11:49 PM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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belizecelica ST very slow Feb 25, 2004 - 4:33 PM
Jabberwock The 87 ST had a very different engine. I think it... Feb 25, 2004 - 4:54 PM ghostdog your old car had this:
http://www.toyotacelicaonl... Feb 25, 2004 - 5:50 PM belizecelica Well why did Toyota downgrade to the 7afe? Feb 25, 2004 - 5:53 PM LatinKraze QUOTE (Jabberwock @ Feb 25, 2004 - 1:54 PM) The 95... Feb 25, 2004 - 6:05 PM Kwanza26 The 4th gen ST's had the 3sfe. I personally t... Feb 25, 2004 - 6:55 PM wind QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Feb 25, 2004 - 11:55 PM) Th... Feb 25, 2004 - 7:05 PM playr158 well i know the st is supposed to be slow, but let... Feb 25, 2004 - 8:53 PM macavely QUOTE (playr158 @ Feb 25, 2004 - 9:53 PM) well i ... Feb 25, 2004 - 9:05 PM Uppitycracker Well there is a certain point where driving abilit... Feb 25, 2004 - 9:20 PM snadman Even if he had crappy shifting, I promise it wasn... Feb 25, 2004 - 9:26 PM slipgun I actualy out drove a GT once too, I dono if they ... Feb 25, 2004 - 9:31 PM playr158 ok so it must a been a gt, they sit at 160 HP...th... Feb 25, 2004 - 9:36 PM Uppitycracker QUOTE (playr158 @ Feb 25, 2004 - 7:36 PM) ok ... Feb 25, 2004 - 10:28 PM abatardi QUOTE (playr158 @ Feb 25, 2004 - 7:36 PM) ok ... Feb 26, 2004 - 12:18 AM abatardi QUOTE (playr158 @ Feb 25, 2004 - 7:36 PM) but the ... Feb 26, 2004 - 12:29 AM FallenHero and GT-S's normally make 160ish at the wheels.... Feb 26, 2004 - 1:29 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (FallenHero @ Feb 26, 2004 - 6:29 AM) and GT... Feb 26, 2004 - 2:21 AM BenMMellor It's not a slow car by any means.. I got done ... Feb 26, 2004 - 10:40 AM belizecelica Well...maybe ill have to give the 'ol ST a tun... Feb 26, 2004 - 11:39 AM bustown the 7th gen celica gt-s has 180 hp the matrix h... Feb 26, 2004 - 5:49 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (bustown @ Feb 26, 2004 - 10:49 PM) the 7th ... Feb 26, 2004 - 8:43 PM bustown sorry this forum is english 101 Feb 26, 2004 - 10:22 PM Coomer I know that my ST was slow. I ran a 17.7 at the tr... Feb 26, 2004 - 10:43 PM toyotaspeed_90 QUOTE (FallenHero @ Feb 26, 2004 - 6:29 AM) and GT... Feb 27, 2004 - 2:13 AM abatardi QUOTE (toyotaspeed_90 @ Feb 27, 2004 - 12:13 AM) Q... Feb 27, 2004 - 2:56 AM toyotaspeed_90 & toyota is known for overstating HP..... Feb 27, 2004 - 3:08 AM macavely QUOTE (belizecelica @ Feb 26, 2004 - 12:39 PM) Wel... Feb 27, 2004 - 3:54 AM ghostdog QUOTE (toyotaspeed_90 @ Feb 27, 2004 - 2:13 AM) QU... Feb 27, 2004 - 11:40 AM belizecelica My friend has a 98 kia sephia bone stock, and his ... Feb 27, 2004 - 12:13 PM ghostdog maybe their gearing is lower. because stats-wise t... Feb 27, 2004 - 12:36 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (toyotaspeed_90 @ Feb 27, 2004 - 8:08 AM) ... Feb 27, 2004 - 12:48 PM FallenHero wow might that be the dyno chart for a GT-S???? A... Feb 27, 2004 - 3:58 PM abatardi Thanks Kwanza for the dyno chart.
Toyota is not... Feb 27, 2004 - 5:05 PM Coomer QUOTE (abatardi @ Feb 27, 2004 - 2:05 PM) Thanks K... Feb 27, 2004 - 5:17 PM wind that dyno is impressive.... look at the jump at 60... Feb 27, 2004 - 7:53 PM abatardi QUOTE (wind @ Feb 27, 2004 - 5:53 PM) but... ahem.... Feb 27, 2004 - 9:49 PM
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